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Regarding The Purple Heart I Posted On This Site

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 Posted 09/12/2011  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list
Moe, the bottom right medal looks a lot like the Texas Centennial commemorative.
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 Posted 09/12/2011  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
OK went and checked what the current law actually says. Turns out it is illegal to purchase ANY military decoration authorized for the armed forces. Penalty is a fine and/or six months in prison. If the medal is a Medal of Honor, Purple Heart or one of several others then the penalty is a fine and/or 1 year in prison.

Applicable sections of the law are (This is how the law reads AFTER it was modified by the Stolen Valor Act.

Title 18 Chapter 33 Sec 704

(a) In General.-- Whoever knowingly wears, purchases, attempts to purchase, solicits for purchase, mails, ships, imports, exports, produces blank certificates of receipt for, manufactures, sells, attempts to sell, advertises for sale, trades, barters, or exchanges for anything of value ANY decoration or medal authorized by Congress for the armed forces of the United States, or any of the service medals or badges awarded to the members of such forces, or the ribbon, button, or rosette of any such badge, decoration or medal, or any colorable imitation thereof, except when authorized under regulations made pursuant to law, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

And subsection (d)

(d) Enhanced Penalty for Offenses Involving Certain Other Medals.-- If a decoration or medal involved in an offense described in subsection (a) or (b) is a distinguished-service cross awarded under section 3742 of title 10, a Navy cross awarded under section 6242 of title 10, an Air Force cross awarded under section 8742 of section 10, a silver star awarded under section 3746, 6244, or 8746 of title 10, a Purple Heart awarded under section 1129 of title 10, or any replacement or duplicate medal for such medal as authorized by law, in lieu of the punishment provided in the applicable subsection, the offender shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.
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09/12/2011 4:23 pm
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 Posted 09/12/2011  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Penny Guy to your friends list
mmec20 has got it right. Anyone can visit medalsofamerica.com and purchase duplicate decorations. I use these folks (all ex vets by the way) when helping families assemble display cases of their veterans service. There is nothing wrong or immoral about doing this. Vintage items are quite collectable.

Here is the finished display case I assembled honoring my fathers service in WW II. The ribbons and medals are new, all other items are original from his uniform. The ribbons on his uniform were just too worn and frayed.

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 Posted 09/13/2011  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCanuck to your friends list
Thanks to everyone on this forum for going the extra mile by honoring the fallen and their families.
They will never be forgotten.
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 Posted 09/13/2011  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list

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Anyone can visit medalsofamerica.com and purchase duplicate decorations.

Not true at all. Veterans with supporting DD-214 paperwork can purchase duplicate medals from them that fall under the Stolen Valor Act but Joe Schmoe off the street most certainly cannot.
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 Posted 09/13/2011  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Penny Guy to your friends list

Gee, I guess all my past orders with them without using a DD 214 or any earlier generation of discharge paperwork really didn't happen then.
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 Posted 09/13/2011  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list
Nod2003 wrote:


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Moe, the bottom right medal looks a lot like the Texas Centennial commemorative.



I can see that!

I never thought about it!

Military medals are actually pretty cool with the same details and minting of many coins.


Here's a blow-up of both sides:


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FYI: this is an Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal. This was presented to me for my participation in the US intervention on the island of Grenada in 1983 during Operation Urgent Fury. The US did this operation to rescue the American students on Grenada after the Cuban Government established a presence on the island US President Ronald Reagan did not like or trust.

(The collection of medals I posted pictures of (and this one) are the small representative one(s) worn on the ceremonial dress uniform, not the full-size ones one is presented with at an awards ceremony. The full-size ones are about 2.5 inches long.)
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09/13/2011 9:19 pm
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 Posted 09/13/2011  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list
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I'm also reminded...that we never found my dad's USAF medals. Where did they go?


I bet he never got rid of them. Have you looked all through the boxes and footlockers?
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 Posted 09/13/2011  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
Penny Guy,

You can argue with me all you want but I did call medalsofamerica.com this morning and verified that they do indeed require DD-214 verification for medals that are governed by the Stolen Valor Act.
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 Posted 09/13/2011  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list

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Military medals are actually pretty cool with the same details and minting of many coins.


Adolph Weinman(of Mercury dime and Walking Liberty half dollar fame) designed the WWI Victory Medal, Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal, European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal, American Campaign Medal, and several others.
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 Posted 09/14/2011  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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Gee, I guess all my past orders with them without using a DD 214 or any earlier generation of discharge paperwork really didn't happen then.

Oh I'm quite sure you are telling the truth and the transactions occurred, they were just done illegally.
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 Posted 09/14/2011  1:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Penny Guy to your friends list

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Gee, I guess all my past orders with them without using a DD 214 or any earlier generation of discharge paperwork really didn't happen then.

Oh I'm quite sure you are telling the truth and the transactions occurred, they were just done illegally.


Quite an accusation Mike
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 Posted 09/14/2011  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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Oh I'm quite sure you are telling the truth and the transactions occurred, they were just done illegally


Or before the SV act went into effect.
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09/14/2011 6:13 pm
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 Posted 09/15/2011  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
That's possible, I don't know what the law read before the Stolen Valor act passed. Even if the purchases took place after the act was passed I am not saying that the sales were done in KNOWING violation of the law. Laws change so frequently it is hard to keep up with them and it is easy to execute an action that was legal before but not legal now and not know it.
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 Posted 09/16/2011  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerc20 to your friends list
Hopefully this will assist in understanding the basis of the law and why it is perfectly legal to buy/sell/trade any medal except the medal of honor.

This was a statement of Senator Conrad, Senate sponsor of the Stolen valor Act, read the following statement into the Congressional Record on 27 Feb. It was prepared by Shaun Ferguson, one of his staffers, based in part on a paper put together by Steve Johnson (www.wwmeinc.com) and distributed at the Louisville SOS last month:

Statement of Senator Kent Conrad
February 27, 2007

MR. CONRAD: Mr. President, I would like to comment today on the Stolen Valor Act of 2005 that was signed into law by President Bush on December 20, 2006. I am extremely proud of authoring the Senate version of this legislation that ultimately became law. The new law that has resulted from the Stolen Valor Act strengthens and expands the protections for our Armed Forces' military service awards and decorations.

Since the Stolen Valor Act was signed into law, there have been reports of concerns raised by medals collectors, historians, museums, family members that inherit medals, and persons legitimately possessing, shipping, or selling military service awards and decorations. I would like to make it clear for the Record that the intent and effect of my legislation and the resulting law is only to provide the tools law enforcement need to prosecute those fraudulently using military service awards they did not earn through service to our Armed Forces. It does not in any way restrict legitimate possession, use, shipment, or display of these awards and decorations. Before the law was enacted, my legislation was reviewed by the Senate Judiciary Committee, the House Judiciary Committee, the Department of Justice, and the Congressional Research Service's American Law Division. All concluded that the Stolen Valor legislation does not negatively impact those legitimately in possession of military service awards and decorations.
Although the new law modifies Title 18 USC, Section 704, it does not impact the legitimate purchase, sale, or possession of medals. The key part of this passage is the phrase: "except when authorized under regulations made pursuant to law." That exception refers to 32 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), Section 507. I believe the concerns raised by collectors and dealers of military medals and memorabilia may stem from lack of familiarity with the CFR and its relationship to statutory law. The CFR is the regulation that implements and administers statutory provisions, in this case, the provisions of 18 USC Section 704 as amended by the Stolen Valor Act.
The CFR specifically states in Section 507.12 ( "Mere possession by a person of any of the articles prescribed in Sec. 507.8 of this part is authorized provided that such possession is not used to defraud or misrepresent the identification or status of the individuals concerned." According to numerous legal experts consulted on the drafting of the Stolen Valor legislation, "mere possession" would include: family members that inherit medals, museums, collectors, approved medals dealers, historians, and other persons in possession or selling medals that do not use them for fraudulent purposes. In addition, CFR Sec. 507.8(a) indicates, "the articles listed in paragraphs (a) (1) through (10) of this section are authorized for manufacture and sale when made in accordance with approved specifications, purchase descriptions or drawings."
The articles listed as authorized for manufacture and sale in Sec. 507.8(a) include: decorations, service medals, ribbons, lapel buttons, and badges with the exception of the Medal of Honor. The CFR allows for the sale of all US medals (except the Medal of Honor) and insignia, provided that an official government manufacturer has made them and that the Institute of Heraldry (IOH) approved those pieces. Thus, the Stolen Valor Act does not in any way stop collectors or dealers from selling or collecting officially made medals and insignia, whether they were made yesterday or fifty years ago.I ask Unanimous Consent that a memo from the American Law Division at Congressional Research Service supporting this analysis be included in the Record at the conclusion of my remarks.
In closing, I again want to assure those legitimately in possession of, selling, displaying, or shipping military service awards that the Stolen Valor Act is only directed at those who fraudulently use military service awards and decorations. I have been to Walter Reed Hospital, Bethesda Naval Hospital, and have awarded numerous awards and decorations to soldiers and veterans. These brave men and women have given so much to ensure our freedoms. I strongly believe protecting the meaning and valor of military service awards is a very important way we can continue to honor their service and sacrifice. "

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