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1857 Flying Eagle Cent, Please Grade

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 Posted 09/25/2011  05:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list
What a beautiful Flying Eagle


EF-45 for sure.
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 Posted 09/25/2011  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list
I think it would grade AU53
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 Posted 09/25/2011  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list
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 Posted 09/25/2011  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list
Normally I would probably give this and EF-45 but the coin seems to have some luster remaining which I think could bump it up to AU-50.
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 Posted 09/25/2011  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eddiespin to your friends list
The mark above the date has nothing whatsoever to do with whether the coin is uncirculated and it's irrelevant to the coin's technical grade if the coin is circulated. That understood, that's a lot of rub on that center of breast to go off as simply "cabinet friction," meaning, that looks like circulation wear on that highest point to me. Neither is there any way that area is softly struck right in the midst of that crisp surrounding feather detail. On the reverse, the weak veining in the bottom leaves does appear to be due to a soft strike, however, there are touches of rub on the higher points, which do appear to be due to light circulation wear. All in all, I think I'd describe this one as a very attractive high AU, with a good, warm tone to it, and let the market have at it from there.
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 Posted 09/25/2011  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rachums107 to your friends list
50/70 Nice coin!
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 Posted 09/25/2011  12:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chancellor Sutler to your friends list
Tough crowd, this one....Way tougher than the folks at PCGS.

That's strike deficiency. The wing tip is the first thing to go, and it's not abraded. Click this link to see an MS62 from PCGS.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1857-Flying...370454878546

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 Posted 09/25/2011  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yankee1227 to your friends list
Ill go ahead and say AU-53
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 Posted 09/25/2011  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eddiespin to your friends list

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Click this link to see an MS62 from PCGS.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1857-Flying...370454878546
Yikes, where's the rest of the tail on that MS-62?

PCGS assigns grades according to what it believes its chump market will tolerate. That's what this, its definition of "market grading," translates to:

A numerical grade that matches the grade at which a particular coin generally is traded in the marketplace. The grading standard used by PCGS. ( http://www.pcgs.com/Lingo/M )


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 Posted 09/25/2011  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
I would grade this AU50--it has a little more wear than my AU53.
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 Posted 09/25/2011  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
No way that's a MS coin with wear on the breast and wreath.
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 Posted 09/25/2011  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list
I'm just not sure that IS wear on the breast, I think it's the strike. This coin has better eye appeal than the one pictured MS-62. I still say MS-63. If it is technically determined to be wear and must therefore not be an MS coin, it's an AU-58. Saying it's XF or even AU-50 is extremely harsh. There's no doubt there is very little wear if any at all, so it's an AU, after that we're looking more at luster of which there is all of it, thus AU-58.
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 Posted 09/25/2011  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Yeah...possibly, but the rest of the coin is struck-up pretty well, including the tail feathers.
Not meaning to be "harsh" calling it AU50, because that's the amount of detail I see.
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 Posted 09/25/2011  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lorax to your friends list
Wow, I rarely see such a range in grading opinions. Many of you sound much more knowledgeable than me.

Chancellor Sutler: The coin is very evenly toned, a little darker than it shows in the picture. The light was from the top so the bottom of the coin appears darker in the picture but isn't in real life.

D0ubl3Eagle, hesgut: I don't really know what the luster should look like on a brown coin like this so I can't comment except to say I didn't notice the luster.

I bought this as an XF, and it seemed like it was fairly graded (because of the breast issue), however, after looking at photograde some more http://www.pcgs.com/Photograde/#/Flying/Grades I do see that there should be wear on the top wing tip, even in the high AU grades, so maybe there is something to that. Either way, I'm happy.
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 Posted 09/25/2011  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list
First off, there is no doubt in my mind that if you bought this at an XF greysheet price, you got a great deal. As far as luster, I guess you could call it original surface. Maybe the picture is deceiving, but I think this coin might even have a slight cartwheel effect left. Once you establish it deserves AU credibility, the difference (by definition) isn't wear, it's luster or distracting remarks or problems...so saying it has more wear than your AU-53 wouldn't even guarantee a lower grade.

All that being said, I still think this coin would actually grade MS-63 at PCGS or NGC or ANACS. It might be an AU-58 though
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