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 Posted 10/07/2011  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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It sounds like you also have quite a few years on me as well.:)

I would guess that to be the case as well. I just turned 62 last August.


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Congratulations on your life's successes and I think your investment plan of physical commodities is sound.

Thanks, Hesgut. My investments are large enough that the physical silver I own is still only about 2% of my total investment mix. I want to bring that up to at least 5% and maybe as much as 10%. To reach a figure that size will likely require me to buy some gold or platinum. I would be buying physical platinum right now if I could find some 1-oz. bars. All that seems available at the moment are some 1/10th oz. APEs and some 1-5 gram bars. The premiums on these small amounts are a killer if you want to collect 20-30 ounces so I haven't bought any of these.


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I wish the future looked a little brighter for myself and others of the younger generations.

Yes, I also wish that. I have a 39 year old daughter and a 36 year old son, so I definitely want them to have a good future. Both are doing reasonably well at the moment, though, and I am grateful for that.


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These days working hard at a "good job" gets you underpaid and disrespected, abused by your boss, and ultimately laid off. We certainly won't get any pensions, our retirement packages (for those who can stay employed) are terrible, our salaries are poor...

Yes, I would agree that this is all too often the case. When I was working, I was a very highly skilled technical person who added a good deal to the company's bottom line. Because of that, I was appreciated and well paid for my efforts. It is imperative that people be highly trained in a desired technical field these days. I know that this is not easy but then the best things in life rarely are. Many companies out there today continue to say that they cannot find the highly skilled workers that they need and that this is hampering their business expansion plans. We need to allow more of these people to immigrate to the US and we need to train more such people of our own. It is dumb, IMO, to train foreign students to be scientists, mathematicians, and engineers at the M.S. and Ph.D. levels and then just send them home when they would prefer to stay in the US. This is human capital that we are just squandering and we can ill afford to do that.

Speaking of pensions, they are going the way of the dodo. That's actually OK too because the 401(k) plan has largely replaced pensions. In my case, that was excellent and allowed me to retire comfortably at age 55 instead of having to work until age 65, as our former pension plan allowed. Additionally, I got about 30% more money from the 401(k) plan than the pension plan would have delivered for the same time and money invested. IMO, the 401(k) plan is the greatest wealth creation engine ever invented and its invention was basically an accident of interpretation. Yes, it can still be improved but the real trick to getting the most from it is to invest in it to the max allowed. It helps if the stock market cooperates with your retirement dreams, for sure, and it did for me. I was investing in my 401(k) from 1982 through 2004 and, except for the 2000-01 recession, that was a HUGE bull market for US stocks.


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...and we may not even get social security. The money we do make is losing value faster than any "low risk" investment can keep up.

Agreed. SS and Medicare will have to be trimmed if these programs are to survive. I have long thought that we need to: 1) raise the retirement age by 1 year per decade that a person is from age 65; 2) increase the amount that the employee and employer pay by 1/2%; and 3) increase the medicare co-pay for those who can afford for them to be raised. These simple steps would ensure that the programs remained viable. It would also help if the US government would stop raiding these funds, spending the money, and issuing IOUs for some future generation to pay.

As to those low-risk investments, I hear you on them. My folks are having trouble earning much of anything on their savings these days. The yields on CDs are abysmal. They used to earn 4-5% on these and that was enough to supplement their retirement money quite nicely. Not so these days and I am scrambling to find them some alternative investments that can potentially earn
a higher yield without being terribly risky. Big cap blue chip dividend paying stocks, Asian mutual funds, and REITs seem about the best, although one must watch the interest rates very carefully so as to not be blindsided by rising rates.
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 Posted 10/07/2011  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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Well thank you Ed I enjoy reading your and all the comments and advice here on the coin forum.

Well, thank you for that, Bruce. I also enjoy reading your comments on this site, as well as those of many others here. Lots of thought provoking comments here for sure.


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I am an old tired and retired Marine.

Well, Semper Fi, Bro. My son was in the Corps from 1993 to 1997, so we relate well to Marines around here.


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I like to say to my RVing friends, "some day finally came"...

Well, good for you. My wife and I are also considering getting an RV so we can travel about the western US and take more trips. Haven't bought one yet but the 5th wheel trailers look good to us.


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I also love ASE I have 15 tubes of them now.

I also like ASEs a lot. They are an absolutely beautiful coin. I have 2 tubes of them and 5 more in shipment as I type this. They should arrive here in 3-4 days.


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I need to do an inventory...

Yes, it is good to know for sure what you have. This gets more and more difficult as your hoard grows. I use a spreadsheet to track what I bought, from who was it purchased, the type of coins or bars, the price paid, and the ounces acquired. A bottom line totals some of the columns so I can tell at a glance how much I have. It's not really all that detailed but it seems to be working well enough.


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As you said my kids will most likely get my stash of coins if not the grand kids they can do what they wish.

Yes... and there's not a thing wrong with that. My plan is to build a PM hoard that can be used in an emergency situation. If that doesn't happen (and I REALLY hope that it does not!), then it will serve as a store of value / anti-inflation part of my holdings and a gift to my 2 kids and 2 grand kids.


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I did sell one 2006 Gold Buffalo proof some yeas ago on ebay but with the ebay fees and paypal fees was lucky to break even but I did just that so was happy at that but never used ebay again.

There are so many comments on here about how expensive things are on ebay and how people bid up the prices to ridiculous levels, I just assumed (big mistake!) that one could get a pretty good price via an ebay sale. I don't know a thing about buying or selling other PMs but the silver prices that I see on ebay are about as high as I have seen anywhere. It must be the fees that leech off a good share of any profit that might have been made.


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Guess I should try and locate a good long standing coin dealer in my area will get the phone book out my problem is I do still have a stick house but move around to much in the RV never in one place to long.

Yes, that could be quite beneficial. I can see how a lot of movement would hamper your efforts to buy and sell, though. Not sure if there is an answer to that problem, although you could keep an eye out for coin and pawn shops and jewelers. Most of them buy and sell PMs. As always, though, you would need to know what the spot prices are to know if you are getting a reasonable deal.


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Anyway I will most likely keep buying more silver when the price gets low again...

That sounds good to me, Bruce. That is what I am doing. My plan is to convert about $75k to physical PMs. I am doing that over time. It isn't something that I plan to do immediately but over the coming months and years. I just bought a nice bunch of 90% silver coins today.


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have to check more on the sale end though for the wife anyway because that is what she keeps saying to me is I drop over what is she going to do with all these coins have to get that answer for her.

I would definitely agree with that. We fellows have to plan for the future of our families and that definitely includes the part when we are no longer able to continue watching over them. I am lucky to have a son who will be more than able to help his mom deal with the problem of selling or keeping the hoard that I have accumulated. As a former Marine, he knows all about honor, integrity, and duty, so there should be no problem that he can't help handle quite nicely.
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 Posted 10/07/2011  9:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list
Going waaaaay back to a question on page one...regarding airtight containers...there is a food storage contraption (can't remember what it is called, sorry) that sucks the air out of the bag and then heat-seals the bag closed. (Remember boil-in-the-bag veggies?} I have one in the basement and I need to get it out. I think new models are still out there. Since the plastic used is safe for food, maybe it is safe for coins.
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 Posted 10/08/2011  12:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerlinn to your friends list
That first post makes me wish I had extra money to buy with. But, then when I do get some money, I find it very hard to spend it on PM.

Case in point. Yesterday I had $1000 to invest. Did I buy silver? No. I bummed around 4 wrecking yards for 5 hours and spent $925 of my stash in those yards. The rest went for gas.

Today I sold 4 of the 28 items for $525. 3 more are sold in November for $475. 4 more will sell next spring for $625. 2 will be put in inventory in the hopes of someday selling them. And the other 15 will be sold for scrap for about $800 at the end of October. And that is not counting the $200 or so of fast moving parts that I hope to remove from the scrappers.

Even though silver has two very important properties, recognizable value and portability, these numbers make it hard for me to buy silver. The recognizable and portable properties may make me some day wish that I had stashed more in silver against the day that the SHTF.

Anyhow, congratulations Ed on being able to invest in PMs as well as knowing that regardless of the future that you have an "insurance" policy that cannot be eroded by the printing press.
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 Posted 10/08/2011  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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Anyhow, congratulations Ed on being able to invest in PMs as well as knowing that regardless of the future that you have an "insurance" policy that cannot be eroded by the printing press.

Thanks, Merlin. I'm doing about what a lot of others on here are doing so there are plenty of us bullion / insurance guys here.

You did a darned good job with the junkyard prowl yourself. That's quite a return you have for a few hours work and a $1000 investment. Not a thing wrong with that and unlike me, you don't have to wait for your investment to prove itself valuable. Perhaps you will use a bit of the profit from this to buy a few silver coins or bars? That would be good.
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 Posted 10/08/2011  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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Going waaaaay back to a question on page one...regarding airtight containers...there is a food storage contraption (can't remember what it is called, sorry) that sucks the air out of the bag and then heat-seals the bag closed.

Yes, there are a number of those "seal a meal" type vacuum food packers available. Wal*Mart sells one for less than $30 but I can't vouch for its quality as I do not have one and also have not used one. My son has a vacuum food packer but I do not know the brand. He says that it works really well, though, and offered to seal the damaged wrapped bars. I was considering that.

UPDATE: I sent an email to SilverTowne about the damaged wrap on 1/2 of the bars I got from them. I priced the shipping back to them and it came to $33 with insurance. I said that was too much and that I would be keeping the bars to sell locally. They responded with, "We will pay the shipping". Well, heck, if they are going to be that nice about it, I am sending 10 of the bars back to them for replacement! I doubt that they are making any money off of this deal but they sure do have a client for the foreseeable future!
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 Posted 10/08/2011  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add throwbackid to your friends list
I just received 5 more mint tubes from APMEX, to go along with the 58 Morgans I paid under $25 each for from dealer. I am thinking my next purchase will be some 5 oz bars from Silvertowne. I can't believe they have free shipping and let you use a CC for the same price.
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 Posted 10/09/2011  05:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
A useful tool for sealing stuff is an impact sealer. You can buy a new 9" one for around $50. They will seal anything from thin plastic of baseball card sleeves to the heavy gauge stuff like the bars come in.

A cheap alternative is the dazey seal-a-meal, at a thrift store near you.
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 Posted 10/09/2011  06:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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I sent an email to SilverTowne about the damaged wrap on 1/2 of the bars I got from them. I priced the shipping back to them and it came to $33 with insurance.

50 oz of silver shouldn't cost more than about $20 to return. How did you figure $33?
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 Posted 10/09/2011  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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50 oz of silver shouldn't cost more than about $20 to return. How did you figure $33?

I didn't figure it, the local post office did. That was for registered mail with insurance. I checked with UPS and FedX and their prices were similar. What do you get in the way of service for $20 and where do you get it?
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 Posted 10/09/2011  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
http://www.usps.com

http://postcalc.usps.gov/

Small fat rat priority box $5.20
Registered, $1700 insurance $16.05

$21.25.
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 Posted 10/11/2011  12:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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Small fat rat priority box $5.20

Yep, there's the key to lowering the cost, alright. Next time I will go with the flat rate box and the insurance. Thanks for the tip.
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 Posted 10/11/2011  01:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
You can't beat that flat rate 5.20 deal Ed, which figures up to like $5.69 seems like, as I use it often myself....
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 Posted 10/11/2011  02:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Ed-B: Storage:

I take my lunch to work in a snap lock polyethylene lunch box.
Ideal for your silver bars. Include a small bag of silica gel with the bars in the box. This type of lunch box can be stacked on top of each other. Sticky tape a label on the the side for contents information.

The whole lot can be stored in a large locked trunk or similar. Hide the bars with stored clothes on top. If the trunk is heavy enough with stored PM silver inside, it can't be moved in a hurry!

I am not as well off as you. I store lead bars (not silver ones!) in my safe to make it heavy!

I wonder if the PM value of lead will go up soon?
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10/11/2011 02:37 am
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 Posted 10/11/2011  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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You can't beat that flat rate 5.20 deal Ed, which figures up to like $5.69 seems like, as I use it often myself....

No, we can't beat that with a stick. I will use this method from now on!


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The whole lot can be stored in a large locked trunk or similar. Hide the bars with stored clothes on top.

Concealment is a very important part of PM security. Having my silver inside a safe is a good measure but disguising the safe so that it does not even look like a safe is even better.


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I am not as well off as you. I store lead bars (not silver ones!) in my safe to make it heavy!

Making even a small fortune honestly is a long and difficult process. It took me about 35 years to accomplish and that with serious dedication. I can understand why others do not or can not do this. There have been a lot of sacrifices along the way but now the pay-off is occurring. I do not let any of this go to my head, though. I am WELL aware that I had a lot of great opportunities in life that many others have, unfortunately, not had and I have been free of many (but not all) of life's bigger troubles as well.

Yes, my safe is heavy but that is not what holds it in place. It is the 8 hardened steel bolts sunk into the concrete floor and wall studs behind it that really do the job.
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