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...how would that thin, raised lip on the clip (shown above) be struck that way? I am not sure, and I am still looking, but it looks like artifacts from the moon craters. Again, no expert, trying to learn as I go.  |
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This one has me baffled as well and I am hopeful yet somewhat suspicious at the same time. I must say this, I wish I had better recall on the way this was obtained. On the holder is a note handwritten.
Rec'd from the mint thus
That's all it says. I took it out after all these years to get a better look.I am no good at grading IKES and aside from a heavy coating of haze, I can't tell if it has wear so if it came from the mint and is worn, that would be a clue that it is more suspicious.
I'm still on the fence about it, although I have had some excellent observations and comments.
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The small clip is genuine. The large one is questionable. seems there should be significant B effect for that huge a clip, also significant metal flow. Perhaps worth slobbing to see for sure, but I'd never buy it raw. |
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Alrighty then ... I found a very similar situation with a Sacagawea dollar that was graded by PCGS and it appears as "real" as mine does. For some of the comments about metal flow and such, I don't see much of it on the Sac but I do see a better "Blakesley Effect" on the Sac.   |
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Alright, I put together a comparison between two pictures of your Ike and a 1972 Type 1 that I have.  To me, the shape of those olive leaves seems very strongly distorted. The right (your right, the bird's left) talon is very misshapen also. None of my Ikes look like that, and I can't recall seeing one that looks like that before. They're the shape I'd expect to see if the metal was flowing out into the void during striking. The metal on that part of the coin would be moving southward more than during a normal strike, so you'd expect metal to pile up at the southern side of the devices and pull away from the northern side. That's exactly what we see here. That's a smoking gun to me, along with a fairly subtle B-effect. Maybe the distortion I'm seeing isn't present in-hand and is just an illusion from the pictures. But if I'm not seeing things, I can't imagine how that could happen post-strike. I don't disagree with PCGS on the Sacagawea either. The B effect is significant and some of the letters and stars near the clip are slightly distorted. |
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Wiffo! You are so kind to take interest and put in that effort to clarify your opinion.
I like your argument in the missing and distorted detail. If this were sawed off to be a fake then I think the details would be much more clear since they are inside the coin. I totally understand what you are trying to explain and I am tending to believe I do have a real double clipped IKE here.
I don't know how much clip faking went on back in 1972 but if it were faked this good back then, I don't think it would be raw in my collection today. The surface and edge and cutaway are all original and darkened natural so this is this way for a long time, like 40 years and it looks it.
Does this look to be in MS grade or maybe high AU to you?
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I have no idea on grading Ikes. |
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I'm inclined to say it's real and would purchase it as such.Notice on the reverse on the inside part of the rim closes to the word "States" that to me is a sign of the Blakesley effect.That to me Say's Buy Buy Buy.I'm not an expert but have gained alot of experience in the last few years and my gut feeling say's Yes.
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jasper62 - I think you are looking at the Sacagawea, I have the IKE in question here on my desk.
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This is the picture I was talking about.Notice above the word "STATES" and the inside part of the rim were it is a weaker strike.This is the second picture of the reverse of your Ike that you posted.The first picture of the reverse that you posted does not show this but the second picture does or is this an optical illusion?  Edited by jasper62
03/09/2012 05:41 am
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Both clips are genuine. As others have pointed out, there is significant metal flow in the design elements bordering the larger clip.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Great news. Yes I think we have a winner here. I appreciate all the posts and now I suppose we can consider this a good lesson in clipped defective planchets.
I think it might be worth sending to get graded.
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There are four diagnostics you can use to identify a genuine curved clip. If none are present, it's probably a fake. If just one is present, then you can be pretty confident it's genuine. None of the four diagnostics is invariably present in all genuine specimens.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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I'm glad to hear it's real!  |
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Posted 03/08/2012 3:01 pm
