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Identified: 13th Century Wine Tavern Token

 
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 Posted 07/01/2012  1:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I bought this with some Roman coins, It certainly seems very old, but no other provenance is attatched to it.

Its been hti by a plough(I think) and looks to be english.



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 Posted 07/01/2012  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not familiar with any coin, certainly not any English coin, that looks like this.

I'm wondering if it might be a token, or perhaps even a button or piece of jewellery.
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 Posted 07/02/2012  07:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its definitely not a button or jewellery - I could see it being a token though. For what, I dont know. Are there any resources for identifying such coins? It came with a group of coins from 280-340AD, so it could be in that time slot. That being said, the same box also contained a victorian penny and a casino chip, so I can only assume its date.

I shall see if it matches celtic coins from the time
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 Posted 07/02/2012  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thai-vic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the same box contained coins from a later period and no lettering/numerals on your example then I'd go for a token.
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 Posted 07/02/2012  08:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It only contained a couple - the rest were byzantine and roman from the 4th century and late 3rd century. And if this is a token, I dont know what it is for (it is incredibly thin). It also has the 5 dots, maybe this signifies its denomination?
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 Posted 07/02/2012  10:25 am  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know of any coin type in the period you mention that used this type of cross. It was not adopted yet, the CHI-RHO was the Christian symbol. This piece is medieval and possibly from eastern Europe.
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 Posted 07/02/2012  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As far as finding similar tokens is concerned, no such luck due to its lack of lettering. However, I did find a Medieval Coin from belgium listed in Rosenblum's collection from the 1200s which has a similar cross design on one side:

*51604---Brussels. Anonymous Local Coinage. 1235-1280. AR Denier (.53) . Windmill type Cross of Brabent/Bridge or gangplank. SCMF-7369, dw-98. Nice VF. $175

Its also similar for having raised dots and similar colouring.
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 Posted 07/02/2012  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Check alganbagerap's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The cross looks as though it derives from the Saxon cross as do the raised dots.
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 Posted 07/04/2012  2:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first thought I had was that it was a boy bishop token, but now that I think about it I don't think it is. It might be some sort of early communion token. It also looks like there might be a lot of lead or tin in the metal.
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 Posted 07/04/2012  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the reply Bacchus - Ill look into both.

After a little 'research' I found that it predates the earliest communion token by at least 200 years. But a great lead as I found almost identical tokens in a similar auction lot to a communion token - It identifies this as a 'Wine Tavern Token'. What that means is an enigma and there are few price estimates - the best I found is a dealer who lists similar coins at £10-£20, but in much better condition.

Heres the most similar:



Im happy to lay the identification to rest - but I have no idea where this would end up (I suppose Tokens). Any word on what a Wine Tavern Token is would be great!
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 Posted 07/05/2012  02:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great investigating. We all learn sonething new all the time. It falls into the "paranumismatica" category I think.
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