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Defective Planchet?

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 Posted 02/25/2007  7:47 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add snowman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
My grandfather originally got me started in collecting coins. While going through some of the coins he gave me I noticed a defect on this 50 Pesos:

Defective-Planchet?

Defective-Planchet?

Defective-Planchet?

At first I thought it was post-mint damage, but when you look closely at the coin, the damage seems almost too clean to be done after the coin was struck. Any thoughts?
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 Posted 02/25/2007  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DieVarieties to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From what I'm seeing in your photos, I'm leaning towards genuine. Though the full coin images are a little too small, but I believe I am also seeing the "Blakesley" effect which is an indicator of authentic.
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02/25/2007 8:04 pm
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What is the "Blakesly" effect? I have a Lincoln Penny at home with the same type of disfigurement, I alwayes thought post mint but would like to be sure.
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 Posted 02/25/2007  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add josie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yeah further info.

Although found it that kind of effect is difficult to have and hard for forger to copy.

And the grade is what for this coin?
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 Posted 02/25/2007  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DieVarieties to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"What is the "Blakesly" effect?

snowman: I hope you don't mind but I took your full obverse and reverse photos and added an arrow to point something out.

cpfull: "Blakesley" effect is shallow/weak area that is located directly opposite of the primary defect (I.E. clip/defective planchet, etc.).

In the full coin photos I put an arrow where I believe I am seeing that weak area directly opposite of the defect. Notice also in the full reverse photo how the denticles are weak as well. I will point out that using the "Blakesley" effect alone is not always indicative on the coin being authentic. However, in most cases it is a valuable diagnostic to help authenticating a mint error as genuine. Also not all coins, even those that are genuine clips, etc. do not always have the "Blakesley" effect. There are other things to look at on the coin that when combined with the "Blakesley" effect will help in certifying as genuine. I hope this helps.

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 Posted 02/26/2007  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snowman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, thanks for the information. The coin does have poor detail in the areas you described. Is that due to an uneven strike caused by the defect in the planchet? Also the coin has shallow reeding on the edge where the defect is. Is that another measure of authenticity?
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 Posted 02/27/2007  06:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This was a link from another forum member in another post. I think this will explain what DieVarieties is referring to. While it's not a clip I don't think, it seems to be the same principle involved?

If this is not good info, I apologize. It just seemed very close to the same "idea"...

http://www.ngccoin.com/news/viewart...DArticle=312
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 Posted 02/27/2007  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snowman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great link tights24. Thanks for the help.
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