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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It seems that the 90% junk silver sells out fast at the local coin shop I frequent and was wondering if it was wise to buy 40% silver instead. Is there any significant disadvantages when you go to resell? Edited by Joe2007 12/04/2012 11:23 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Theres limited interest in 40%. Most people want 90% hence why the 40 doesn't sell at the coin shop. Itll take longer to resell and the premium will be lower if theres a premium at all. If your shop is selling a lot of bullion but certain things arent selling its usually a pretty good indicator to stay away.
Now if theyre selling it cheap enough thats a different story. Theres always a magic price where anything becomes desirable
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks for the response. How cheap would be cheap enough to consider 40% at current silver prices in your opnion?
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Bedrock of the Community
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Probably below melt honestly and possibly significantly below. Id have to do some research as to what they sell for on ebay but without a premium over melt in the sale youll lose money if silver stays flat in a sale from the fees. Even on here it seems like everyone is always trying to trade their 40 percent for 90 percent
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Avoid 40 percent and the hassles that come with too much bulk for the amount of silver.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The biggest issue with it is real simple, sixty percent IS NOT SILVER, lol. I know that is stating the obvious in a sarcatic sense to some, but I feel it is just that simple....
I will buy cool odd pour 925 silver bars and take a chance on homemade versions even all day before I buy any forty percent silver....
Now gold different story, 585, 333, or 750 as I saw another member post is a nice find for cheap prices at garage sells and such. As MOST do not know what 585 means for example and if there is no 10k or 14k hallmark, its just often viewed as costume junk to the seller....
But to my point even 417 (10k) has HUGE value in this day and age with gold prices, which makes forty percent a good LONG term investment if you indeed feel silver is way undervalued and destine for say a couple of hundred per oz. one day....
Cause I bet if you hunt 40% enough, you should find many good deals under spot, esp in bulk. Same with war nickles with Mont mark 42-45.....
Edited by Silverhawk74 12/05/2012 02:17 am
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United States
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I've made some astoundingly good deals on 40% and War Nickels, generally at spot or below, sometimes way below. I consider these coins to be a store of wealth just as I do 90% and scrap silver.Of course my favorite form is nationally minted .999 or better. I am a strong believer that silver will eventually reach it's unmanipulated true price and the silver gold ratio will plummet from 50ish to 1 to something closer to the historical ratio of 15 to 1. For those who'd like citations that support my views, google Ted Butler or my favorite guru, Turd Ferguson (yes, I know it's a silly moniker, but the guy is a very talented broker/trader and willingly shares vast amounts of information.
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"Turd Ferguson" A guy with a name like that always commands respect in my book.... A wise man once said never trust anyone named after a major city  . I am adding a new one two that list  ....
Edited by Silverhawk74 12/05/2012 11:38 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think there really is not much down side to 40%. I mean, it does contain silver. What I'm not a fan of, is if I were to purchase 500 40% coins, how fast can I let go of them if I really need to? (last resort option).
Even thinking of this more, if I ever HAD to sell some silver, I would try selling the 40% first before looking at my 90% and then .999 bars etc.
I've wondered how popular 40% truly is. You can make a .999 silver bar, but you can't make a US Government 40% coin. Same can be said for Canadian silver etc.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The fact that everyone tries to buy it for less than melt means it will be tough to get a good price when you want to sell. If I could get it for under melt I guess I would buy it knowing that when I go to sell it I will get even more under melt in return.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If you are looking for silver to have for 'melt value' and wish to melt it/have it melted for cash, my understanding is that refiners often have different rates of return for different coin types. Coins which are 90% silver return a higher percent of spot than coins of 40% silver. The reason I was given is that the refining process is more expensive or complicated.
I don't know the veracity of the latter, but I spoke with a few business-to-business refiners and this is what they told me.
In other words, if you are buying 'junk' silver in order to sell it for the silver content, the refiner (or intermediary if you are not a licensed precious metal dealer) pays a percentage of spot. I called several B2B precious metal refiners in the Dallas area. Their percent of spot paid to *businesses* was 90-95% of spot. Retail shops obviously pay less than that, often significantly less.
There may be options other than 'cash for gold'-style businesses if you want to send your silver coins for cash. For instance, Rio Grande jewelry supply (Albuquerque, NM) pays 85% of spot and you don't have to be a licensed precious metal business. That's probably a higher percent than most 'cash for gold'-style places.
To summarize, if you want to cash in your silver coins for the value of their silver (i.e. to be melted), you are not going to be paid the spot price for the silver content under any circumstances. It costs money to refine the coins; the refiner and the middleman have to make a profit too. So today, for instance, a pile of silver coins containing a total of 1 troy ounce of silver will not result in a check to you for $33.07... it will be at least 15% less than spot, perhaps much more than 15% less.
Edited by ThisIsFun 12/05/2012 2:14 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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Silverhawk74:The name Turd Ferguson was taken from a Saturday Night Live sketch from some years ago. Do yourself a favor and check out the site tfmetalsreport and I think you'll change your mind.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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very similar to Canadas 50% and 80%, people do not want 50%
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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How much of the silver coinage turned in actually gets melted? My LCS turns most of it around and sells it again (in the case of 90%, very fast). They get more selling it to customers then a refiner.
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Valued Member
United States
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The value of the coins are people's willingness to buy it. Since people are less willing to buy it, wouldn't it make sense to avoid? That's always been my thought process, I could be wrong. The last thing I'd want would be something illiquid.
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Canada
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I agree with the other response that 40% is not desirable but at a good price below spot I might be a buyer. The issue might also be the sheer size of your stack if you went heavy into 40% vs 90%. You could have a monster box of 500 40% kennedy's for around $2400 at todays prices. You need a lot of space.
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