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 Posted 01/25/2013  10:03 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jamesicus to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Many collectors and scholars theorize that some of the early unmarked coinage produced at the reopened (by Constantius in AD 296/297) London Mint was designed by British die engravers - formerly employed by the Carausius/Allectus London Mint - now supervised and/or mixed in with Lugdunese/Unknown Continental Mint die engravers who accompanied the Constantius invasion force. Some of these issues often have the small Carausius/Allectus style portrait busts on long necks (described by Sutherland as "ugly") typical of some of the Carausius/Allectus London Mint engravers:



O: IMP C CARAVSIVS PF AVG
R: PAX AVG (S ..... P)
RIC vol 5(2) Carausius, London, No. 475


O: IMP C ALLECTVS PF AVG
R: ML (S ..... A)
RIC vol 5(2) Allectus, London, 33




O: FL VAL CONSTANTIVS NOB C
R: GENIO POPVLI ROMANI
RIC vol VI Constantius, London, No. 14a


O: MAXIMIANVS NOB CAES
R: GENIO POPVLI ROMANI
RIC vol VI Galerius, London, No. 15


Edit added: Compare the above Constantius with the following later (intermediate) issue with much nicer portraiture by undoubtedly former Lugdunese/Unknown Continental Mint die engravers - but still with a somewhat elongated neck, maybe due to the influence of British die engravers:





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Britannic coinage of Constantius (294-306) - Restorer of Secessionist Britain to the Roman Empire: http://jp29.org/cdir.htm
Edited by jamesicus
01/26/2013 12:20 pm
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 Posted 01/25/2013  10:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eng5858 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


James, very nice set of coins, I've seen LN's before, but they all have great detail and well centered...very nice group..
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Thanks Eng5858. Pleases see the added edit to my original post.

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Britannic coinage of Constantius (294-306) - Restorer of Secessionist Britain to the Roman Empire: http://jp29.org/cdir.htm
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these always make me chuckle a bit....your group is really nice!
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 Posted 01/25/2013  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jamesicus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks chrsmat71

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Britannic coinage of Constantius (294-306) - Restorer of Secessionist Britain to the Roman Empire: http://jp29.org/cdir.htm
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 Posted 01/26/2013  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice examples of this type!
These elongations were obviously intentional, and since much of pre-modern art is full of symbolism, I wonder what was meant by these incredibly exaggerated necks? Some animals can stretch their necks when they are alert and scanning the horizon for danger--something I think about every time I see these coins.
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I've seen some long necks on Probus coins as well. Not as long as those London mint coins but still long.





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Thanks for the input DVCollector and Gil-galad.

.......... and, of course, also found on Julio-Claudian coinage (especially coins of Claudius) typified by this Sestertius of mine:



RIC Vol I, CLAUDIUS, Rome, No.99 (AD 41-50)

and this As:


RIC Vol I, CLAUDIUS, Rome, No. 113 (AD 50)


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Britannic coinage of Constantius (294-306) - Restorer of Secessionist Britain to the Roman Empire: http://jp29.org/cdir.htm
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I like the Long Necks - bizare design. Heres one from my recent uncleaned lot which has some rocky encrustations on it, but you can see the neck. I reckon its probus because his coins often have the elongated neck.


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Another early long neck,

Nero AR Tetradrachm Antioch, Syria

Regnal year 8, Caesarian year 110
61/62 AD. 14.05g
Obverse: NERWNOS KAISAROS SEBASTOU, laureate bust right, wearing aegis.
Reverse: Eagle standing left on thunderbolt, palm branch before, H/IP behind.

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very nice nero...dang.
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Since the "long neck" is a style seen on coins of the Julio-Claudian era, then it may not be exclusive to the Carausian era. Maybe it gave an "extraordinary" look to an emperor, to set them apart from the ordinary civilians.

Rather like the way Diocletian started that trend of having the emperors looks the same, with a "bullish" look to them, to look intimidating to civilians.
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