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jamesicus Valued Member United States 167 Posts	Posted 01/25/2013 10:03 pm Many collectors and scholars theorize that some of the early unmarked coinage produced at the reopened (by Constantius in AD 296/297) London Mint was designed by British die engravers - formerly employed by the Carausius/Allectus London Mint - now supervised and/or mixed in with Lugdunese/Unknown Continental Mint die engravers who accompanied the Constantius invasion force. Some of these issues often have the small Carausius/Allectus style portrait busts on long necks (described by Sutherland as "ugly") typical of some of the Carausius/Allectus London Mint engravers: O: IMP C CARAVSIVS PF AVG R: PAX AVG (S ..... P) RIC vol 5(2) Carausius, London, No. 475 O: IMP C ALLECTVS PF AVG R: ML (S ..... A) RIC vol 5(2) Allectus, London, 33 O: FL VAL CONSTANTIVS NOB C R: GENIO POPVLI ROMANI RIC vol VI Constantius, London, No. 14a O: MAXIMIANVS NOB CAES R: GENIO POPVLI ROMANI RIC vol VI Galerius, London, No. 15 Edit added: Compare the above Constantius with the following later (intermediate) issue with much nicer portraiture by undoubtedly former Lugdunese/Unknown Continental Mint die engravers - but still with a somewhat elongated neck, maybe due to the influence of British die engravers: James Edited by jamesicus 01/26/2013 12:20 pm Report this Post to the Staff

Eng5858 Pillar of the Community United States 1316 Posts	Posted 01/25/2013 10:12 pm James, very nice set of coins, I've seen LN's before, but they all have great detail and well centered...very nice group.. Report this Post to the Staff
jamesicus Valued Member United States 167 Posts	Posted 01/25/2013 10:20 pm Thanks Eng5858. Pleases see the added edit to my original post. James Report this Post to the Staff
chrsmat71 Pillar of the Community United States 4973 Posts	Posted 01/25/2013 10:45 pm these always make me chuckle a bit....your group is really nice! Report this Post to the Staff
jamesicus Valued Member United States 167 Posts	Posted 01/25/2013 10:52 pm Thanks chrsmat71 James Report this Post to the Staff
DVCollector Bedrock of the Community United States 10045 Posts	Posted 01/26/2013 2:38 pm Very nice examples of this type! These elongations were obviously intentional, and since much of pre-modern art is full of symbolism, I wonder what was meant by these incredibly exaggerated necks? Some animals can stretch their necks when they are alert and scanning the horizon for danger--something I think about every time I see these coins. Report this Post to the Staff
Gil-galad Pillar of the Community United States 2044 Posts	Posted 01/26/2013 2:47 pm I've seen some long necks on Probus coins as well. Not as long as those London mint coins but still long. Report this Post to the Staff
jamesicus Valued Member United States 167 Posts	Posted 01/26/2013 4:16 pm Thanks for the input DVCollector and Gil-galad. .......... and, of course, also found on Julio-Claudian coinage (especially coins of Claudius) typified by this Sestertius of mine: RIC Vol I, CLAUDIUS, Rome, No.99 (AD 41-50) and this As: RIC Vol I, CLAUDIUS, Rome, No. 113 (AD 50) James Edited by jamesicus 01/26/2013 4:33 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Ben Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 4208 Posts	Posted 01/26/2013 4:31 pm I like the Long Necks - bizare design. Heres one from my recent uncleaned lot which has some rocky encrustations on it, but you can see the neck. I reckon its probus because his coins often have the elongated neck. Report this Post to the Staff
Ancientnoob Pillar of the Community United States 5155 Posts	Posted 01/26/2013 8:14 pm Another early long neck, Nero AR Tetradrachm Antioch, Syria Regnal year 8, Caesarian year 110 61/62 AD. 14.05g Obverse: NERWNOS KAISAROS SEBASTOU, laureate bust right, wearing aegis. Reverse: Eagle standing left on thunderbolt, palm branch before, H/IP behind. Report this Post to the Staff
chrsmat71 Pillar of the Community United States 4973 Posts	Posted 01/26/2013 10:31 pm very nice nero...dang. Report this Post to the Staff
Masis Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 946 Posts	Posted 01/27/2013 7:14 pm Since the "long neck" is a style seen on coins of the Julio-Claudian era, then it may not be exclusive to the Carausian era. Maybe it gave an "extraordinary" look to an emperor, to set them apart from the ordinary civilians. Rather like the way Diocletian started that trend of having the emperors looks the same, with a "bullish" look to them, to look intimidating to civilians. Report this Post to the Staff
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