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Were All Roman Emperors Despicable People?

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I'm starting to read bios of various emperors. Holy sadism, Batman! Were they all sociopaths? Haven't come across a good one yet.

Really, some of the bios are just revolting. Are there any who weren't murdering mendacious megalomaniacal misanthropes?

I'd like to find a few who were 'good guys' and seek out some of their issues. Perhaps just luck of the draw, but the handful of bios I've read so far paint pictures of utterly loathsome human beings.

If you know of any interesting yet somewhat decent emperors/empresses, please post their names here.
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Antoninus Pius, Theodosius I had a couple of controversial moments but he was good, Marcus Aurelius, Hadrian, Trajan.
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Nerva, Trajan, Hadrian, Antonius Pius and Marcus Aurelius are all "good".
Augustus(Octavian) was a great emperor and did a lot of good for the SPQR.
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Aurelian is another good emperor.
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You also have to realize that in the modern perspective these guys are largely bad, but in the ancient mind it was common place.
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Yeah, I realize that in part it was the time in which they lived. Kinda makes modern politicians seem tame, huh?
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It depend on what you mean about 'good'. Do you mean just good person in general or good administrator. Or do you mean well loved by the people.

I would an start with Marcus Aurelius as an emperor who was a good guy. He was a Stoic pilosopher. Even writing a text on it.

As for an administrator look no further than Augustus himself. He 'found Rome a city of brick and left it a city of marble' plus he promote family values even exiling his own daughter for promiscuity.

The thing about a lot of the emperors is we are stuck to limited source material and the number one thing to remember is that every ancient text has a bias and depending on the writer he could be badmouthing with hearsay to promote the current emperor.
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My favourite is Hadrian he consolidated the power of the empire after Trajan's expansion and set up Antoninus Pius to have, as my prof put it, 'a boring period of no decent wars'. Although Hadrian did go into a bit of a funk when his, again as my prof put it, 'special friend' died trying to swim across the nile (lol)
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Most could be ruthless and cruel when needed. Some enjoyed being bad. But most scholars agree that there were five good emperors. Nerva, Trajan, Hadiain, Antoninus Pius, and Marcus Aurelius. Other emperors that had potential for good rulers if they lived were Gordian III, Severus Alexander, and Claudius II.
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Excellent points, Whizb4ng. "Good" is a vague term. I suppose I mean someone who was relatively well thought of in his time, was generally regarded as fair and prudent, and perhaps under whose reign the empire flourished. And who didn't kill people for looking at him cross-eyed.

And WHAT? Written history isn't always accurate? Say it isn't so
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Thanks for the recs, everyone. I'll read up on those guys and try to find a few of their coins.
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Apparently Claudius I was supposed to be a fairly good sort as well. While often portrayed as a drooling idiot he was in fact quite intelligent, well read, and a noted published author of his day (sadly no example of his works survive). He was a decent administrator, and though he did have a penchant for gambling and drink, he seemed to stay away from the cruel depravities that many other emperors had. You also may want to consider Constantine the Great, although he was a bit of an opportunist, at least on the statesmanship side of things. He managed to pull the empire back together again for it's last final hurrah before it's eventual fragmentation into decline.
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 Posted 05/08/2013  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Whizb4ng to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Personally I think Galba would have done really well but then Otho decided to use his head as a ball. Pertinax would have been amazing.

I enjoy their crazy though Nero ordered a person to kill himself so the guy threw a giant party and poisoned himself slowly over the night to make a grand exit.

I think it was Commodus that had bird seed put in a persons hair and unleashed some hungry birds on him.

And then there is Caligula and his fight for Britain!
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Penny is correct about Claudius modern scholars have been rehabilitating his reputation lately. He supposedly could speak Etruscan and wrote on the subject.
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Emperors being despicable and mean, probably was part of their job (& life) security. It was probably a lonely existence.
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As said before, you should try for the 5 'good emperors'.

And then collect some of the real evil ones...nearly all the Julio-Claudians were inbred madmen. Caligula road his horse across the sea using merchant ships - because of something a guy predicted to Tiberius. Nero tried to crush his mother with a lead roof. Nero was one messed up cookie. Stuff too bad for a family forum.

If you have the dough, I say you should try and collect a Germanicus too. Well loved by the people and they would come in droves for his 'adventvs'.

Another cool one (but moi pricey) is Carausius. No real source material on him, but he stood for roman values away from Rome - he struck coins in pure silver again and his coins had all sorts of things on them - 'RSR' stood for 'The Good Times are Back' which is on his early bronze, he had legends like 'PACATOR ORBIS' and 'RENOVAT ROMA' which means 'Rome, Renewed'. He put quotes from famous latin texts on his coins despit them circulating exclusively in gaul and Britain.
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