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Searching Half Dollars.. Found Brockage Error Cent Lincoln

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I am about done searching half dollar bags, as the silver seems to have completely dropped out of circulation, but I did find some interesting stuff in this last bag, which I picked up on Wed.

o an angel type token
o 50p UK 2008
o New Zealand 50 cents 1967
o Battleship Oregon medallion

And what seems to be a brockerage error penny, perhaps with other errors, on a 1968 S penny.

The obverse has an obvious negative imprint Lincoln memorial rotated about 80 degrees. The letters CENT are clearly visible, clearly reversed, opposite the nose on Lincoln's face. Pluribus Unum is also obvious, as is "States of America", and and easy to read, reversed, behind Lincoln's back.

The reverse also has a reversed Lincoln Memorial rotated 80 degrees. E Pluribus Unum is clearly visible reversed to the left of the Lincoln Memorial.

On both sides is what appears to be an offset error, creating a ring set into the coin surface, but the coin is perfectly round.

Coin is slightly domed from obverse to reverse.

I almost feel as if there may be multiple errors:
o brockerage error, in which the previously punched penny stayed in the (upper?) die, and put a reverse Memorial image on the obverse of the penny.

But there is also a reversed Lincoln Memorial on the reverse of the coin. How did that happen?

o Is there also an offset error?

Anyway, fun find, and anything that someone could share to explain how this happened would be appreciated.

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Nice! I too am curious on how that would happen...
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Two Cents pressed together in a vice
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Here's a better obverse, and the rest of what I found in this bag.

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I don't think that Two Cents pressed together in a vice would result in this, for two reasons. One, the coin is absolutely penny shaped. No spread.

Second, the coin is slightly domed. If two pennies pressed together, in some sort of industrial vise, it would be flat.

I think this is a brockerage error.
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Better pictures are needed.
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Most definitely a vise job on the Lincoln Cent. I find these too often. I do not feel your coin would be bulging if it were a brockage. I feel it would be more convex.
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I looked up "convex" and one definition was "bulging." Could you clarify your distinction?
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vise job I believe. You can see the horizontal bars of the clamp (not sure of the correct term, bars? or teeth?)
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It's definitely a vise job.If it was a brokerage the secondary image of the memorial bldg would be on the obverse side of the coin.
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I looked up "convex" and one definition was "bulging." Could you clarify your distinction?


My apologies. As some people know, I had a heart attack and open heart surgery just under three weeks ago. I am hopped up on pain pills. I meant to say concave, not convex. Look at the example on this page http://error-ref.com/brockage--full.html


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It's definitely a vise job.If it was a brokerage the secondary image of the memorial bldg would be on the obverse side of the coin.

Another very valid point.

I will also add that on vise jobs that were made to resemble errors, the person making it often put the coins between two pieces of leather in order for the damage from the vise to be absorbed and not transferred to the outside of the coins.
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Hey good luck with the recovery my dad just went through a triple bypass he was a heavy smoker for years and finally gave it up
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Hey good luck with the recovery my dad just went through a triple bypass he was a heavy smoker for years and finally gave it up


Thanks. I have your dad beat. I had five bypasses during my surgery. I had never heard of any more than four, but I had five. I am not even a smoker. Just hard living, and a terrible diet. I have also had high blood pressure since I was 16. I never took care of it. My BP is now normal, my weight is falling. I should be starting rehab next week. I hope to be able to return to work in five weeks or so. Until then, it gives me more time to spend with you guys here on CCF.
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That was a nice subject for your 1000th post, seal006.

I wish you all the best with your recovery.
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As others have said, this is a vise job (note the proper spelling of "vise").
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That was a nice subject for your 1000th post, seal006.

I wish you all the best with your recovery.


LOL, I did not even notice. Thanks Dave. So I guess this means I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut.


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(note the proper spelling of "vise").

If this was done by Crockett and Tubbs, VICE would be the proper spelling.
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