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Why Exactly Is This Rare?

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 Posted 08/07/2013  02:20 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jkol2369 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
And how is it MS65 when its brown and it has spots on the reverse?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-1944..._1122wt_1240
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The 1944 cent in MS65R is perceived as a grade rarity,and priced accordingly.Its Trends price is $2000,the next priciest Geo VI cent is 1942 at $600.
The asyn coin is neither MS65 nor red.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 08/07/2013  07:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add artdio to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks like VF to me , and worth about 2 cents
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 Posted 08/07/2013  08:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add middross to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
jkol2369, are you not familiar with the asyn school of grading?
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 Posted 08/07/2013  09:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noahs-numismatics to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


That pushing it on the grade a little, even by asyn standards!
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 Posted 08/07/2013  09:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This guy is now going past the point of comic relief for most of us here. ..


.....but he is also hurting the hobby in a big way...
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 Posted 08/07/2013  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidFNYC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the coin actually was what the seller claims then a Grade of MS65 in red condition it would probably be rare in the population of 1944 cents. This coin is more of a Brown/Red condition and certainly is NOT an MS65.
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Here are a few nice MS Red cents...the 44 is also a nice Cameo.

The top pic shows an interesting flaw in the C of Canada with that wire like mark that must have been in the die at the moment it was struck.



This is what a collector would expect to see when advertized in MS Red grades...

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 Posted 08/07/2013  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cdcoinman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Make him an offer to buy it if he sends it to ICCS to be certified if not offer him $1.00
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That would be fine, but:

1. Its asyn
2. Its an auction

If that coin were certified, it wouldn't be worth the cost to send it in.
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Asyn is a genius lol! People will actually bid on this coin! I wish I had half the balls this guy has to list his auction they way he does.
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Would something like this qualify for ebay protection as not arrived as described? I know he has a disclaimer on grading, but I've always wondered about the term "Rare" as it seems to be applied quite liberally to all sorts of coins (eg. Rare 1967 PL set).
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Well.. if the item is received as pictured, there isn't much you can expect, especially since they say that the grades are in their opinion only. The word rare is used so loosely now that it hardly means anything to most people.
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Someone should do research on ASYN and write a book on this seller(s). Whoever this person or Organization is, they are E-bay's oldest seller (1998) and have near 1/2 million in sales. (shooting red STAR) I've made one purchase from ASYN, a raw 1951 MS-64 silver dollar. Returned back from I.C.C.S. as MS-64.

What can I say?

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Some of my hardest-to-find Nova Scotia Trade dollars came from ASYN.... you bid, and buy, on what you see, not what you read...
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Quote:
you bid, and buy, on what you see, not what you read


Exactly!
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