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How Do We Fight Conterfeit Coins When They Come Certified?

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 Posted 08/07/2013  7:51 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
on this site you can buy all the fake keys you want and even have the certified! like this 1909s vdb au-58
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1909...8441102.html
is coin collecting in danger?
think about it,I'm pretty sure that a coin made 150 years ago can be reproduced perfectly with technology today.
what if the market gets flooded with really good copies? will people be to afraid to buy and coins any more making our collections worthless? is it time to sell?
this site also sells fake silver bars that look really good,
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 Posted 08/07/2013  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
here are some canadian coins,.
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/428...hText=canada
you can get a 1936 dot penny for $2.40 with free shipping
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 Posted 08/07/2013  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have to stand up and fight. You can win against them. The USA is its own worst enemy when it comes to the counterfeit fight. They are years behind Canada. IMO
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 Posted 08/07/2013  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidFNYC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why do you think this is a counterfeit coin? I checked the PCGS registry and it checks out.

The website Aliexpress is a wholesaler of all kinds of items and I've done business with them for wire baskets, totally not coin related, and they seem legit. But they are a fulfillment operation and don't manufacture anything they sell.

It would be outrageous if they were selling certified counterfeits.
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 Posted 08/07/2013  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The seller you show is The Big Tree Coin Factory. All are known and markers have been published.
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 Posted 08/07/2013  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i know we need to fight but the problem is there are too many scammers out there and it is only getting worse, and if the counterfeits get better then I think we are all in trouble, I also collect early canada stamps and I'm afraid of that also
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 Posted 08/07/2013  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
because if you read his description he says he only sells fakes. here is his description
Welcome to my shop!I only sell replica coins for collections, none of the coins I sell are original. Please don't buy them as the original coins. I sell these copied coins only want to make your collections more perfect. About shipping: It takes about 20 to 30 days to carry to American, and 25 to 35 days to European and other countries. Hope you could wait for your items patiently. I will mail the coins to you in 10 business days after pay them, In order to receive them as soon as possible, please pay them as quickly as possible. Thank you, by the way you could contact me if you need EMS, Best wishes! Thanks!
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 Posted 08/07/2013  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidFNYC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ignore the man behind the curtain, now I see the word "copy" in the title description. I am sending a link of this to PCGS since they are obviously counterfeiting their holders complete with semi-accurate coin info. i.e. the PCGS registry lists the coin as 1909 VDB grade 59BN which and the slab in the listing doesn't have a color distinction
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 Posted 08/07/2013  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
im telling you they are selling certified fakes!!
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a bit scary?
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 Posted 08/07/2013  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidFNYC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
More than scary, I sent PCGS a link to the site. They also need to be concerned that someone selling replicas is doing it in seemingly accurate PCGS holders. Hmmmm, think I'll send the link to the Secret Service too, they investigate counterfeiting.
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 Posted 08/07/2013  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This has been going on for years. ICCS as well as NGC CCCS PCGS ANACS have all been "Replicated"
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 Posted 08/07/2013  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
pcgs just recently opened an office in Shanghia, they should take a proactive stance in this issue
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 Posted 08/07/2013  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidFNYC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what has me more surprised than counterfeit slabs is that the registry info is almost accurate. The real PCGS coin is graded 58BN and I guess that would stand out as fake since this coin is red. The absence of the color distinction should be a red flag for cent collectors since it's an important factor in determining value.
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08/07/2013 8:33 pm
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 Posted 08/07/2013  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yup buy the coin not the holder
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 Posted 08/07/2013  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ya but whats to stop them from putting 58BN on the holder next time?
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