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How Do We Fight Conterfeit Coins When They Come Certified?

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 Posted 08/07/2013  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidFNYC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A 58BN grade on an obviously red coin would raise a red flag with me, no pun intended. I know there have been instances of red coins turning brown in slabs but never the opposite of a brown cent turning red.
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 Posted 08/07/2013  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
how about this nice canada $10 silver coin
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Newe...1568325.html
or how about this nice 10 oz bar of silver
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Cust...6443465.html
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 Posted 08/07/2013  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
all they have to do is put a description that accurately describes the coin on the slab
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 Posted 08/07/2013  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am positive that the Canadian Coin news will be running a (just a tad) controversial article written by someone who is not too fond of the RCM and its lack of interest/assistance in fighting counterfeit coins. I heard a rumor that a fake was returned to the mint for exchange......the next 3-6 months should be interesting.
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 Posted 08/07/2013  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
in a way I can see why the mint may not assist in fighting counterfeit coins, there are more than a few counterfeiters out there and once you bust one, 2 more will start up. they can sell their fakes online publicly or just have them showing up everywhere at shows ebay etc..
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 Posted 08/07/2013  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whenever people complain that ICCS doesn't provide an online counterfeiters' info database, this is a good reason why.
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 Posted 08/07/2013  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmm silver plated duck coin. Be on the lookout for those. The Titanic had issues, but this one has Canada, $10.
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 Posted 08/07/2013  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
its not just the duck coin , its all the coins, search the site you can get just about anything there.., how do you know your last purchase is real?
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 Posted 08/07/2013  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Newe...7185536.html
how about some canada silver maples at $3 each?
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 Posted 08/07/2013  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, if the mint is selling me fakes, that would be a story. :)

The mint should provide a registry. Coins they sell would map the COA number to the original buyer's city.

1) If you acquire you can update.

2) Potential buyers can check the location.

3) Obviously many registering the same number would be a red flag.
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even this really nice looking newfoundland large cent
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/FREE...7347033.html
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 Posted 08/07/2013  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
and lets face it , I bet its pretty easy for them to counterfeit some of our old paper money and the graded holder it comes in
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 Posted 08/07/2013  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The best way of staying ahead of these dishonest people is to beat them at their own game.
Buy only the most deceptive ones at the lowest cost possible,
PROVIDED THAT they are sold to you as fakes.

I maintain a reasonably large collection of good quality 'black' coins, for my own education.
I study them VERY closely to find their weaknesses. I also have some very good book references on the subject of fake coins, including on how to actually make excellent fakes.

There are some very good data bases of fake coins on the 'Net, with which you can compare a suspect coin.

NONE of my 'black' coins came from ebay. They all came from major public auctions, where each lot was accurately described by leading numismatic professionals.
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 Posted 08/07/2013  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petersun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Couldn't you check with PCGS (since there's a code on the certification case) to survey the authentity of the coin?
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 Posted 08/07/2013  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paisa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is one thing that this seller discloses the coins as copies. But is it not illegal to possess a look alike currency (coin or bill) that can be passed up as the real thing.

I cannot imagine how this thing clears customs.

This is truly scary.

I am hoping that when you buy these kinds of things in person it would be easy to make out that it is a duplicate.
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