Brockage/Die Clash, But A Little Confused?

If they start making them this good we are in trouble....background is its not fake, its from a large uncleaned group (hoard material) found back in the 50's from what I can gather.

Hoards 9 times out of 10 do come up in this condition...that is why they are so good, because they have not been in plough soil , turned over and over with fertilisers. I have found 1 hoard and been present when 2 others were found. I also buy hoard material and make my money cleaning it further and selling. If you see a very good bronze roman coin for sale, chances are its origins are in a pot with others.

Maybe I should be clearer on this.. I did not say they come out of the ground in that condition. They generally come out of the ground (when found in a hoard) thickly encrusted in green copper oxide deposits; as a result of them being next to other coins. Whereas a ploughsoil found coin will leach copper oxides into the surrounding soil, a hoard coin leaches these oxides onto surrounding coins/the pot. Some hoard coins do come out of the ground in a fantastic condition, it all depends on whether the pot was covered with a lid and how dry the soil was. A sympathetic cleaning method will remove this encrustation to reveal in most cases a very fine Roman coin.

Are we at cross-purposes here? The discussion in this thread is not about the authenticity of this coin, but rather the unusual reverse brockage restrike. The coin was obtained from a legitimate and respected dealer in coins and antiquities, but this will not help us to uncover the truth about the ghosting and subsequent restrike of the coin?.

Please feel free to post your comments here, there is nothing to hide....

You lost me right after "I get it now" .......

Nice coin though

I would rather you post your 'uncouth' comments here....I cannot receive PM's yet.
As far as the source of the coin, I feel no need to disclose to anyone where I buy my material. The dealer is respected and if you believe the authentic coin posted here is a fake, then I do not believe its fair to name him either as both he and I, and I would assume most members here can see it is genuine. If you firmly believe the coin is not authentic, then maybe speak to a moderator and ask that it be removed because it is misleading? Other than that...I do not know how to help. If it helps you to understand how people manage to buy hoard material, both myself and another member here have bought coins from a Gallic hoard in the past year...they are not difficult to find and when resold are often not sold as being from 'such and such hoard'.