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Thoughts On 1921 Peace?

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The seller has it listed at $50, but the conveniently placed dings/ rims have me a bit concerned. Can anyone comment on the coins authenticity?
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 Posted 01/19/2015  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another $100 and you can get yourself a slabbed AU.
The one you're showing WAY too many scary things on it.
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That coin has been cleaned and polished. It also has some serious marks, especially on the date.

It appears to be real.

Save your money and buy a nice one.
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 Posted 01/19/2015  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks fake to me. If it's not fake then someone polished it. Junky.
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 Posted 01/19/2015  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KevinH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NO WAY an authentic and non-cleaned High Relief goes for that kind of $$$$.
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Even if it's a genuine key date, I'd rather wait for a problem-free one.

Something with "Liberty" doesn't feel right.
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This coin looks seriously cleaned. That ding in the "1" in "1921" is a serious problem. I say wait for a better example to roll along.
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Also, remember that the grading for a Peace dollar is all about two things: the hair over the brow and the feathers on the eagle's right shoulder. The wear, as far as I can tell form the pictures, does NOT match the color and "shininess."

Conclusion: a dipped F or VF.

Stay away and get yourself a nice AU for $150-ish.

The High Relief Peace dollar is one of my all-time favorite coins, and you deserve to have a nice one in your collection!!
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Thanks for the advice guys and gals! I decided to pass for sure after I asked for a picture of the reeding and the seller said he was done taking pictures.
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Also, remember that the grading for a Peace dollar is all about two things: the hair over the brow and the feathers on the eagle's right shoulder. The wear, as far as I can tell form the pictures, does NOT match the color and "shininess."

Conclusion: a dipped F or VF.

Stay away and get yourself a nice AU for $150-ish.

The High Relief Peace dollar is one of my all-time favorite coins, and you deserve to have a nice one in your collection!!

I certainly have a lot to learn about dipped coins! It almost makes me wary of buying online altogether..
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 Posted 01/19/2015  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin_kid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Polished.... I'd wait for another one even if you have to pay more
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It almost makes me wary of buying online altogether..
When buying raw coins you must be very wary of buying them online. There are many ways photographs of coins can be manipulated to make the coin look better than it is or to hide problems.

The seller in his reply that he was done taking pictures is lazy and seems to not be too interested in making a sale to a potential customer. Could also mean there is something else he does not want you to see.

There are many honest coin dealers selling raw coins on ebay and I am sure there are members of this forum who would tell you who they are.

The 1921 Peace dollars with their high relief are commonly found with poorly detailed hair above the ear since there was not enough metal to flow into the two highest areas opposite from each other on both sides without using extremely high striking pressure which would cause the dies to wear out or crack quickly. Well struck examples can be found with patience.

What I find amuzing is how many people describe the 1921 Peace dollars as high relief which implies that there were non high relief coins struck. There were no low relief 1921's only high relief.
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What I find amuzing is how many people describe the 1921 Peace dollars as high relief which implies that there were non high relief coins struck. There were no low relief 1921's only high relief.


Well, speaking as a Peace dollar collector, I use the term "high relief' to refer to the 1921 coin because that's the only regular high relief coin in the series, an is thus shorthand for the 1921 issue. Obviously, there was not a 1921 "low relief" issued.

Of course there are also the elusive 1922 HR coins a la Pawn Stars, but.....

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It's a good coin to put in a belt buckle and $50 is fair for that. It's a way to show off your hobby. At this point you can't do any damage to it
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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The coin looks genuine with AU details and has been cleaned/polished as noted above. $50 is a very fair price for it.
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Pass on this one and look/save-up for a nicer one.
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