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Harald Bluetooth´s Token Gift / Memorial Plate Or Fake

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A unique gold object found in Wolin 1841 has appeared in Sweden. Researchers have read the following text on the front side:

Harald-Bluetooth´s-Token-Gift-/-Memorial-Plate-Or-Fake

+ARALD
CVRMSVN+
REX AD TAN
ER+SCON+J
VMN+CIV
ALDIN+

One interpretation of the texts is:

HARALD GORMSEN KING OF DANES + SCANIA + JOMSBORG + CITY OF OLDENBURG

Swedish archeologist Sven Rosborn has a theory that it could be Harald Bluetooth´s memorial plate (see https://www.academia.edu/9647410/A_...tooth_s_time)

Numismatic Peter Kraneveld has a theory that it could be a golden token wedding gift (see http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/in...opic=29205.0)

Ethnologist Karen Schousboe has a theory about a talisman (see http://www.medievalhistories.com/ha...l-find-fake/)

Other thinks of the object as a 18th century product but no theories are outlined.

A philologist´s perspective could perhaps explain why it would be almost impossible for a forger to invent the text on the object.
The text is Latin and the first two words are: +ARALD CVRMSVN+

ARALD is a spelling that Frankish monks used during the Viking era. According to a Swedish linguist it is not a widely spread knowledge that the H is left out.

CVRMSVN would most likely be translated to KURMSUN in Old Norse. The Hällestad runestone (DR 295) says among other things: "tuka kurms sun" and refers to Toke Gormsen who probably was Harald Gormsen´s brother. In the literature from medieval up and until today you cannot find the spelling Kurmsun. Instead you find: Gormsson, Gormson and Gormsen.

REX AD TAN ER would most likely refer to REX AD DANER. The spelling TANER could be the correct spelling at the time of Harald Bluetooth as the transliteration of Denmark on Harald´s runestone is: tanmaurk (Jacobsen & Moltke, 1941-42, DR 42)

Furthermore, the transliteration of Denmark on the runestone of Gorm is: tanmarkaR (Jacobsen & Moltke, 1941-42, DR 41)
The runestone of Gorm was raised around 955 and the runestone of Harald Bluetooth was raised between 960-985.

In year 995, Haralds´s son Sweyn Forkbeard had his own coin with an image in his likeness. The Latin inscription reads: SVEN REX AD DENER (to be compared with:
HARALD GORMSEN REX AD TAN ER) which is translated to Sweyn king of Danes.

Sweyn´s son Cnut the Great (1014-1035) also had his own coin. The Latin inscription reads: CNVT REX IN DENORVM which is translated to Cnut king of Denmark. Now there is change from king of the people to king of the nation.

The spelling Taner, tanmaurk, tanmarkaR is never used again. Perhaps there was a change in the spelling from the time of Gorm and Harald to Sweyn and Cnut?

CIV ALDIN probably refters to Civitas Aldingburg and is an old spelling of Oldenburg in Holstein.

Out of the four old spellings: 1) ARALD; 2) CVRMSVN; 3) REX AD TANER; and 4) CIV ALDIN, the only plausible knowledge for a forger in the 18th century should be CIV ALDIN instead of Oldenburg. Or does anybody know a spelling in the literature of 1) 2) and 3)?

Metal tests

Five new metal tests have been made on the object with the following result:

Test No.* AppendixAU AG CU FE Zn Pb
Test No. 1 I 91,84 3,60 4,37 0,135
Test No. 2 Ii 91,55 3,64 4,65 0,153
Test No. 3 Iii 91,75 3,65 4,51 -
Test No. 4 Iv 91,09 3,67 4,55 0,146 0,440 0,113
Test No. 5 V 91,83 3,68 4,33 0,114

It seems that the "pollution" is bigger on the legends than on the object itself. See third test where you only find AU, AG and CU. Could metal tests tell us something about the aging or the manufacturing process?

There are many factors that point towards the time Harald Bluetooth but the object itself seems to be made in a rush. Does anybody have example of goldsmiths´ work around the 10th century that also seems to made in a rush?
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What you wrote intrigued me, let me make a comment to:


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Out of the four old spellings: 1) ARALD; 2) CVRMSVN; 3) REX AD TANER; and 4) CIV ALDIN, the only plausible knowledge for a forger in the 18th century should be CIV ALDIN instead of Oldenburg. Or does anybody know a spelling in the literature of 1) 2) and 3)?


It would not be unusual to have ARALDVS used in Latin writings instead of Harald and on coins you find quite often the names truncated.

Also, the writing style is quite modern and not similar to that used around the year 1000.

That's just my 2 cents worth of comment.

Wonder what the end result of the investigation of experts will be - but never forget that quite some elaborate pranks have been played over history.
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Thanks for your comments Medieval!

I wonder if you know any examples on coin or other where the spelling Arald is written? Or similar name with an H as a first letter.

There should defintely be a closer look on style.

Nevertheless, there are many other indicators for an object contemporary with the time of Harald. For example the object was found with viking bracelets and an Otto I coin.

Furthermore, the link Harald - his wife Tove - Tove´s father Mistivoj - Mistivoj the ruler of Oldenburg - was unknown until after the finding of the object.

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Nice imperial period coin from Cologne you are showing there.
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Thanks Medieval!

There are some things to consider regarding the Spelling of CVRMSVN and TANER:

GORMSØN (CVRMSVN)

CVRMSVN looks at first glance like roman numerals but is a precise transliteration of the name Gormsøn written in rune script. The spelling of Gormsøn in the first known written sources, the Icelandic Sagas, written around13th century is Gormsson (see for example Olav Trygvasons saga, Kap. 33, The Saga of Thrond of Gate, Chapter 10, Egil Skalagrimsons saga, XLVII. KAPÍTULI, Heimskringla, 53.). Other spellings are Gormson and Gormsøn. If we take the spelling Gormsson from the Icelandic Sagas and transliterate it to the rune alphabet Younger Futhark which was in use during the 10th century we get the inscription #5812;#5794;#5809;#5848;#5835;#5835;#5794;#5822;. It is worth mentioning that we will get the same inscription for the spelling Gormson and Gormsøn except for one s-rune less (fifth character). A transliteration of the inscription to the Latin alphabet used in the 10th century will give us the following:

#5812; #5794; #5809; #5848; #5835; #5835; #5794; #5822;
C V R M S S V N

which is the exact spelling on the gold object except for one extra S.

A modern transliteration would give us KURMSSUN and a transliteration direct from Gormsson to 10th century Latin would give us CORMSSON which a potential forger should have written.

KING OF DANES (REX AD TAN ER)

REX AD TAN ER would most likely refer to REX AD DANER.
If we take the spelling Daner and transliterate to Younger Futhark we get the inscription #5839;#5829;#5822;#5825;#5809;. A transliteration of the inscription to the 10th century Latin alphabet will give us the following:

#5839; #5829; #5822; #5825; #5809;
T A N I R

which is the spelling on the Rex Taner except for an E instead of an I (the i-rune represent the letter e as well.

A potential forger should most likely have written Daner instead.

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Quite a mess regarding the characters! Enclosed is a picture of the transliteration

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