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Guildner - What Is This?

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 Posted 10/30/2007  7:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Joy123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,
Looking for answers for I have no clue although I do believe these may not be the real thing. We have 2 wine tasters which both appear to have an old coin in the bottom of them. I do believe they are plated for there is a tinge of a brassy color coming through. What do you think? Real or fake?
Thanks so much for you help.
Joy

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Since it is heavily plated, it is hard to be sure if the 1648 French ecu (or half-ecu) of Louis XIV is a real coin. Much of the detail is obscured by the thick layer of metal coating. For comparision, here is real unplated one. Even if there is a real coin in there, since it is plated, it has little numismatic value.
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If there is a brassy color coming through, then it is surely an imitation coin. An original coin would be solid silver which would not have a brassy base metal coloring.
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I have seen several similar items using what appear to be 8R coins from Mexico. In all cases I have seen the "coin" is actually a copy made for the purpose. I believe that is what you may have here. There are numerous "coin" images on old glass and metal vessels.

These really fall on the fringe of numismatics - like jewelry copies made not for circulation but as more utilitarian objects.
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 Posted 10/31/2007  07:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrisild to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The piece with the knight (images 1, 3 and 6) looks like a Halbguldiner from Hall (Tyrol, Austria). Not a real coin, I suppose, but still nice ...

Here is a page that shows an actual Halbguldiner:
http://www.oenb.at/de/popup/popup_m...all_page.jsp

Christian
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