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How much do you think the price of oil is going to effect the coin market..?

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 Posted 09/02/2005  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wrk4lvg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a VERY hot subject for me right now, so I can't reply correctly, just yet. However, unless the President or another higher power steps in. Everyone will be adversly effected by the rising cost in gas. It was as high as 7$ up north. $6 in Atlanta. Already $3+ here in Florida, expected to be between $4-6/gallon here next week.

It is truely sad that the only thing that goes up in this country in a time of crisis is fuel. Not food, not water....fuel. Our entire economy is dependent upon fuel. When will people no longer afford to pay for gas and not be able to go to work? When will we stop sending 220 Billion over seas to Iraq (not including the rest of the world) and start taking care of ourselves? Holy ****** am I ticked right now. I can't even watch TV anymore....

Sorry, but I am a solid RED blooded American and I tend to get a bit upset over matters such as these. For our guest over seas. I know some of you pay better than $4/gallon already and have been for years...but you know that it's no where the same as here. Lower wages and horrible transit for the most part over here, might be to blame.
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I made provisions for this last year by getting rid of my car and using the buses. That's why I was walking to work in the hurricane. Everyone laughed at me last year. I wonder if they're still laughing I don't think the gasoline picture is going to improve anytime soon. It will affect coin collectors. It will affect everybody. People living in rural areas who drive 100 miles to a coin show are going to be affected. Even people that buy only on the internet will be affected since they will still have less money to spend.

If you want to really understand what's going on with gasoline I can't recommend highly enough The Long Emergency by James Howard Kunstler. His premise basically is this: It ain't going to get better. Major oil fields have passed peak production. The south, especially the burbs, are in some really deep doo-ddo. Because the south especially Florida, is built on air conditioning, lots of roads and highways and cheap gas to get around in. This book is a real eye opener, depressing as it is.
On the brighter side, he predicts that things will become incredibly localized and communities will once again become communities--they'll have to in order to survive.

And that's the good news.

Here's the bad news: What's going to happen when America and China both want the last barrel of oil?
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quote:
Originally posted by longnine009

I made provisions for this last year by getting rid of my car and using the buses. That's why I was walking to work in the hurricane. Everyone laughed at me last year. I wonder if they're still laughing I don't think the gasoline picture is going to improve anytime soon. It will affect coin collectors. It will affect everybody. People living in rural areas who drive 100 miles to a coin show are going to be affected. Even people that buy only on the internet will be affected since they will still have less money to spend.

If you want to really understand what's going on with gasoline I can't recommend highly enough The Long Emergency by James Howard Kunstler. His premise basically is this: It ain't going to get better. Major oil fields have passed peak production. The south, especially the burbs, are in some really deep doo-ddo. Because the south especially Florida, is built on air conditioning, lots of roads and highways and cheap gas to get around in. This book is a real eye opener, depressing as it is.
On the brighter side, he predicts that things will become incredibly localized and communities will once again become communities--they'll have to in order to survive.

And that's the good news.

Here's the bad news: What's going to happen when America and China both want the last barrel of oil?




I will be living I switzerland by then. Selling myself for $$$.
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It is sickening to finally see corportate America finally getting caught up in their lies. When greed rules we will see just what we are seeing now. Every last drop of this is all staged and very well planed. Now, after this past year of playing games the oil companies are announcing profits that are not only unheard of but beyond record setting. Billions have been made in the last year and I am talking about ONE company at a time. The American consumer is literally being raped and our government is in on it up to the neck!
You want changes? All the American people have to do is hang together and make a statement but being the spoiled little kids they are that won't happen. Just imagine if everyone of us boycotted Shell for 60 days. Don't stop for anything at a Shell station, not even to potty or a coke! Would that have an effect? It would cause a huge glut in their production system and bankrupt individual stations. When you get done with them move on to Exon/Mobile and on down the line. We could do the same with the pro sports industry but spoiled "I got to have it American" would rather work their hind ends off to give their hard earned money away, to keep men playing childrens games filthy rich who in the end, actually win nothing, but large sums of money for themselves and corporate sponsers. I sorry folks but I don't understand this mentality?
As for coin collecting, yes, it will affect our buying power and what we plan on purchasing or collecting. I know, as it has already affected me and my family. Will it affect prices on the market, I think eventually it must, but will have to wait a while longer to see any impact. Could get interesting!
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Yeehaa, alrite Terry, you n I would git along just fine--I agree with your entire post, and I double it---EVERY word so I will not re type it- I especially hate the pro-so-called sport stars--that get paid HUGE uncalled for salaries for playing children games--GRRR--I quit going to dolphins games 20 years ago when JRS was built ands they started gouging fans 20-25 bucks for seats in the nose-bleed section--Ever since then, I have not gone to a dolphins game--Last game I went to was the playoff game dolphins vs san diego in orange bowl when we lost 45 to 42 or whatever the final score was--I sat in the nose-bleed section then--last game ever, the game b 4 that was pre-season game miami vs new orleans what a coincidence--:/--As far as coins are concerned, today saw a U-Gas up the block selling regualr for 3.05 per--# days ago it was 2.75?whats going on here? gouging at its greedy best--no-way should gas be raised before there next shipment arives--something smells here to HIGH heaven--Will-Gas-Prices-Effect-The-Coin-Collector..?
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On the other hand maybe the high cost of gasoline combined with the high cost of "sports" & "entertainment" these days will cause more people to stay inside and find inexpensive ways to amuse themselves. Coins can do that. Coin collecting can be whatever you want it to be--as expensive or inexpensive as you want, as simple or as complicated as you want. And your coins won't sound like Brittney mimicking Alvin & the Chipmunks
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Longnine009 I agree with your statement but will go a little bit farther as the high cost of gasoline will eventually force prices higher, across the board, as shipping fees will be passed on to the consumer. Stay at home activities will become more important and nothing could be better than the old coin collection and time with the family. Personally, I think we are in for a long haul and haven't seen anything yet. This is just the beginning as the rich make their move into total domination. Goodbye middle class!
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The major players have already made it clear that they are looking for the highest price americans will pay without decreasing demand, and thats whats up the price will rise until demand drops and then the price will fall slowly to a price where demand begins to pick up and there it will stay !!!

the american people are setting their own price for gas !!! and whats sad is most dont even know it !!!

Will it affect coin collectors, My guess is yes in the short term, but eventually the market will stabilise and continue as normal !!!

Rick
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09/03/2005 10:47 am
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In the end, I fully expect a major spike in the coin market. Gold and silver will rise quickly, and the early gold will show the biggest improvement.
The collector coins, will suffer over the short term.
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quote:
Originally posted by crystalk64


This is just the beginning as the rich make their move into total domination. Goodbye middle class!



That may well be reflected in coins. I'm a big believer in fractual theory and America is and has been losing it's middle class. That may be relected in the decline of "middle-class" coins. Those who collect those coins may have to "downsize" to lower grades and more inexpensive coins. BTW, take a look at the subject line in Ferguson's CoinValues commentary: "Demand strong for high, low values."

If fractual theory is correct our little hobby will mirror the big picture of America. America is a very fractured country. We are not very "united" in anything. We are becoming a country of tribes. This, IMO, will be reflected in coins. There won't be any single trend that "unites" the whole hobby. There will be, IMO, *strong* growth and *strong* decay in different areas, going on both at the same time, and for a long time. Coin collecting, just as America, is at the "cross-roads." It can be our golden opportunity to advance coin collecting or we can shoot ourselves in the foot.

BTW, I really have laugh my butt off now at China and Walmart. Ships and aircraft burn enormous amounts of fuel. Might be a future profit problem there....
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09/04/2005 6:37 pm
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According to wrk4lvg, "It is truely sad that the only thing that goes up in this country in a time of crisis is fuel. Not food, not water....fuel. Our entire economy is dependent upon fuel. When will people no longer afford to pay for gas and not be able to go to work? When will we stop sending 220 Billion over seas to Iraq (not including the rest of the world) and start taking care of ourselves? Holy ****** am I ticked right now. I can't even watch TV anymore...."

I wish I had something significant to add, but since I agree with his every word, I'd just say, "Right On!"

What a time we live in. Billions to Iraq while we find it hard to pay medical, prescription and fuel bills. Open borders and few seem to care. Price gouging at the pumps, and what can you do?

My coin collecting has already been effected. I had saved for a new Walking Liberty half for my collection, but my last fill up cost me $70.70. Part of that was my coin money!
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After reading all the posts for this topic, I certainly agree with everyone. Terry, you are certainly correct.

I figure when I pay my season ticket bill for our local MLB team, I have paid for about two swings of the bat by our first baseman.

What's the answer? First, Go to the polls and vote smart. "Throw the rascals out!" Secondly, boycott. No more season tickets for me. And, I am looking for a bike, or maybe a motorbike. Wish I hadn't sold my motorcycles a few years back.

Also, don't forget who did this to us, and next time you vote, vote smart.
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I think one of the areas that will be hardest hit is the coin shows. I can see the hotel/motel rates going up because of a drop in travelers.

I think that postage rates will increase shortly. Probably by 5 cents for first class and more for packages. I can see a need for the ebay sellers to increase their prices as well because of increased costs.

I can see less people joining clubs. I also believe their will be a drop in sales as people move their spendable income from their collections to the basic needs.

If we lose the low end collector I think the high end collector will also disappear shortly thereafer. Why.? Because they will lose interest. Its the low end collector who bring the new collectors into the hobby. If they go..no more new collectors.

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Well I am happy over here in Kuwait, 1 of the largest oil and fuel producers.
Here it's 1.4 USD per gallon.
Pretty lucky!
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I'd say pretty lucky, Fri. here it went to $3.19 per gallon. At these prices it will no doubt effect coin budgets. Everything in this country depends on transportation to get items to market and to retail store, thus everybody will be raising prices to make up for it.
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