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The Fall of the Western Roman Empire has captured the imaginations of artists and historians since the time of Justinian I.

The Empire's woes can be traced back to the reign of Constantius II ( some historians go back to Constantine I ). Under Constantius, the bureaucracy grew corrupt and weak, discipline in the legions grew lax, and taxes were high. Julian tried to reverse many of these problems, but his death in 363 CE put an end to any major reforms in the Western Empire. His successors Valentinian and Valens did their best, but it wasn't enough. The migrations of the barbarians ( due to the huns) only exacerbated the woes of Milan and Constantinople.
I would like to focus on the Roman Army for the rest of my babbling session
Many historians like to choose the Battle of Mursa Major (351 CE) as a turning point in the decline of the legions. Who can blame them, over 50,000 troops were lost in a single day. 50,000 men is enough to make over two entire field armies!
So to show how bad the legions had gotten under Emperor Gratian; here is a quote from Vegetius and later used by Gibbon" The relaxation of discipline, and the disuse of exercise, rendered the soldiers less able, and less willing, to support the fatigues of the service; they complained of the weight of the armor, which they seldom wore.The heavy weapons of their ancestors, the short sword, and the formidable pilum, which had subdued the world, insensibly dropped from their feeble hands."

Magnus Maximus managed to restore some semblance of order in 385 when he campaign over the Rhine to punish the Franks ( Gratian had done the same to the alamanni in the 370's) and when he reorganized the provinces of Gaul and Spain. Unfortunately his death in a civil war in 388CE along with the Battle of the Frigidus ( two very bloody and costly battles) in 394CE, basically destroyed the Western Empire's army.
The situation was dire for the West, a good example is when Stillicho was only able to muster and army of thirty thousand troops ( most of them barbarian mercenaries) to halt an invasion of Italy in 405CE.
Here is one last quote, this one from a Roman Senator to Stillicho when ordered to pay off the Barbarians instead of fighting them, "This is not peace, but a pact of servitude".
I cannot agree more; though there would be a few shining lights in this dark ocean ( Aetius and Majorian come to mind) the Empire's flame was flickering out.

If I put anyone to sleep, you have my deepest apologies.
Now then lets post coins of the Decline of the Western Roman Empire. Lets have the starting date be 378 CE and the end date be 476 CE.
Here are a few maps that may help visualize what I am talking about.

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Here is a picture ( from my friend on deviant art) that depicts the very bloody and disastrous Battle of the Frigidus between Emperor/Usurper Eugenius and that other guy





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This is my kind of thread! Great post! I'll be posting plenty of my Decline-era coins soon!
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Very interesting thread.
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I guess I will post a coin with the man who's blunder got the ball rolling.(Adrianople indirectly hurt the Western Empire as only the Eastern Army was mauled, but hey it works )
Valens AR Siliqua
Weight- 2.21 gm.
Mint-Treveri (Trier)

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It won't win any beauty contests, but here is my favorite of my late Roman coins, my nummus of Western emperor Majorian.

Majorian, Western Roman Empire
AE Nummus
Obv: D N IVL MAIORIANVS PER AVG, pearl-diademed, draped bust right
Rev: VICTORI-A AVGGG, Victory advancing right, holding palm branch and trophy
Mint: Milan (Mintmark: MD; struck 457-461 AD)
Ref: RIC X 2642

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It gets and A+ in my book.
That is a very rare coin V.K. congrats!
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Here is my Arcadian, who, ahem, 'ruled' from 383-408 AD along with the blurb I wrote up when I posted it in my facebook album (I always try to put some history up on there just in case it gets anyone interested in learning while they're looking at neat pictures of coins :) ) It's not the nicest coin but the imagery struck me when I saw it for sale.

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Bronze AE3 of Arcadius, minted between 401-403 AD in Cyzicus. 17 mm, 2.48 g.. Arcadius was a weak emperor who was dominated at different times by his wife and various military leaders. He's one of not a ton of Roman emperors to die a natural death, probably as much because he was more useful to the people who wanted to hold true power alive than he would be dead.
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Perhaps the eastern empire would have helped if it didnt have troubles of its own...

Zenonis - Wife of Basiliscus, Usurper against Zeno
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I dont really have any Western Emperors from this period, but I always have an eye open.
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Very nice coins Ben and Chuy. Basiliscus, that is that idiot who blundered the joint invasion of vandal occupied North Africa, right?
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Great thread AM. My Arcadius

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Very nice coin Pish. Echizento why dont you go ahead and post one or two coins.
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Here is another coin.
Magnus Maximus AR Siliqua
Trier mint
383-388 CE
2.05 grams
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As far as rules for posting coins. Rule#1- There are no rules.
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Another of my rarities:

Libius Severus, Western Roman Empire
AE nummus
Obv: D N LIBIVS SEVERVS P F AVG, pearl-diademed, draped bust right
Rev: Monogram of Ricimer within wreath
Mint: Rome, struck 461-467 AD (Libius Severus reigned 461-465 AD)
Ref: RIC X 2715

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Wow! That is pretty cool and rare!
I wonder if anyone has a coin of Eugenius to post?
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I don't want this to turn into a Magnus Maximus coin gallery but here is a coin I just purchased


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4.36g
Diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right "DN MAG MAXIMVS PF AVG"
Magnus standing left, holding victory and raising a turreted kneeling female figure "REPARATIO REIPVB" "[T?]CON" in exergue
RIC IX 26a

If anyone posts a coin of Eugenius I will promptly deify you!
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Not me. Would love one on my collection, of course. In fact I don't think anyone here has a coin of Eugenius.
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