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 Posted 04/16/2015  7:18 pm Show Profile   Check jdmern's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add jdmern to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
So I decided to dig into my box of coins that needed some further research today, and dug out these...











I believe these are all contemporary?

I find it fascinating how crude the India and Italy ones are...
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 Posted 04/16/2015  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Check alganbagerap's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The two "Spade Guinea" types are not so much forgeries as fantasies. They were made as card counters or gambling tokens and for the most part had dates that did not coincide with the reign. So, the argument went how can you forge a coin that did not exist?
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 Posted 04/16/2015  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Counters, jetons and similar things are part of an interesting sub-group which at some times were reused as money by crooks. Similar to buttons the base metal counters were often silvered or gilded to pass as if they were real. I place them in Class 4 Other because they were not initially made for fraud. In that they differ from Class 3 Numismatic Forgeries which were specifically made to fool collectors.

My book on Counterfeit Portrait 8Rs is available from Amazon http://ccfgo.com/TheUnrealReales or from me directly if you want it signed.
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 Posted 04/17/2015  12:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PatAR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Isabel II 10 Escudos caught my eye. I have a couple of these as well. These were contemporary counterfeits that were originally coated with gold to pass as the 10 escudos coins. Most, such as the one you have there, are easily identified as counterfeit.

My current curiosity is with the holes. While many counterfeits of all kinds were holed and worn in some fashion, I find it curious that every one of this kind (with base metal core) I've seen has a hole at one edge. I suspect that merchants or banks of the day may have routinely drilled these holes in counterfeits they encountered in circulation. If anyone can point me to evidence that supports or disproves this theory I would greatly appreciate it.
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 Posted 04/17/2015  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add publius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In The Royal Mint Reports, I encounter mentions of highly deceptive counterfeits of Isabel II gold, as well as of British sovereigns, made from platinum.
I also encounter mentions of "Cumberland Jacks" being made as late as the 1870s for the use of people trying to pass them off as sovereigns.
In the Philippine Civil Code established under US administration, bankers who received counterfeit coins were required to "break" them immediately, in the sight of the person who brought them in, using a hammer & chisel.
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 Posted 04/17/2015  09:00 am  Show Profile   Check jdmern's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jdmern to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 10 escudos is an interesting piece, it is fairly dense, but I am not sure the metal composition...

PUBLIUS, that is very interesting with the Philippine Civil Code, were counterfeits a large problem under the U.S. administration? I think I have only seen one contemporary example, an early Peso...

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 Posted 04/17/2015  10:18 am  Show Profile   Check colonialjohn's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
JDERM my new book due out in 2017 will answer many of your questions?

Although foreign CCs is a vast field each country say post 1500-beyond in Europe and Asia has its prizes.

I will illustrate about 100 examples ... in this mix I think MOST? people will begin to see the alloys responsible for their pieces and will hint these period CCs are true collectibles.

All great collections SHOULD HAVE an associated grouping of CCs. The recent China Syndrome of CCs of modern forgeries has hurt this area since MORE expertise is now needed.

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 Posted 04/17/2015  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Check jdmern's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jdmern to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
John, looking forward to the upcoming book- I think the alloy analysis will be quite interesting...

Every time I purchase a large world grouping, I always seem to end with a few, I have a fairly modest stash, but it is growing... Here are a couple of other interesting ones...



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Its wide open with opportunities ...

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