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USA Act Introduced Today! (To Replace One Dollar Note With Coin)

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This may interest jbuck and other dollar coin proponents such as myself. The Unified Savings & Accountability Act (USA Act) has been introduced into Congress today (Wednesday, July 29) that will eliminate the wasteful $1 note and replace it with the $1 coin. The legislation most likely also gets rid of the one cent coin, as there are no ways of making it cost less than one cent to produce, handles and do everything involved, to put the coin in circulation, and something will likely happen with the nickel as well, because it also costs too much to produce and distribute, and the legislation calls for not allowing the Treasury from allowing the U.S. Mint from minting cost prohibitive coins, so I'm thinking that, unless other legislation is introduced, or an amendment to the USA Act is introduced to save it, the cent is history, and the only easy thing I could see happening with the nickel, because we need it to make change for the quarter (unless we get rid of the quarter too) is that a plated steel or even, a plated zinc nickel, as I think it will be a few more years before we round to the nearest dime, even though it should happen now.

Go to the Dollar Coin Alliance website at

www.dollarcoinalliance.org

and check out the top link, for the article on the "In the news" section of the DCA website.
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 Posted 07/29/2015  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChildOfTheWheat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The cent should at least be saved for collectors only. They could make some $$$ doing that...
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They should take out the cent, and bring back the 2 and 3 cent pieces.
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Well, like I said, either eliminate the cent, nickel and quarter, and bring back the 20 cent coin, or bring back the 2 cent coin and leave everything else the way it is (except also getting halves, $1 coins, $2 coins and $5 coins in circulation replacing their respective banknote, and issue new $200 bills and reissue new $500 and $1,000 bills)
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The USAA Act (not "USA" Act) was introduced in July 2014, not July 2015, and is pretty much dead in committee, having been co-sponsored by only two other representatives in the House and one in the Senate. It thus shares a similar fate with virtually-identical acts sponsored by the same group of representatives (mostly Arizona and Colorado) such as the COINS Act and the LTMA (both introduced by Kolbe-AZ) over the last few years. Not surprisingly, the former Representative Mr. Kolbe is listed as a DCA co-chairman. The sole recent reference to the USAA Act is in the form of a July 29, 2015 paid press release by the DCA on PRNewswire, which states that the act was introduced "today" (July 29, 2015) which is patently untrue. Previous attempts at eliminating the cent, nickel, and dollar bill have all met with similar failures to gain endorsements from all sides of the political spectrum.

Many of the leading proponents of the "eliminate the cent" drive are corporate interests who stand to make extra money on every purchase of anything everywhere by rounding up to the nearest 5c. An easier and more cost-effective solution would be to simply stop production of new cents, as there is easily enough supply in circulation to last for several decades, and the 1982+ zinc cents have proven remarkably resistant to wear. Also, from a socioeconomic point of view, lower-income earners tend to conduct a substantially larger portion of their day-to-day business in cash and coins as opposed to higher-income earners who conduct much more of their daily business using debit or credit cards. Since this "rounding" would probably not apply to electronic transactions, the removal of the penny and subsequent rounding up of prices would amount to a de facto "poverty tax" that disproportionately affects lower-income earners.

Removal of the dollar bill would require the replacement of the coin accept/reject mechanisms in almost every vending machine built within the last 30+ years, a billions-of-dollars endeavor that would most assuredly not be financed by the government or any legislation. Incidentally, for the last fiscal year, the government lost about $55 million on the production of cents. To put that into perspective, the current federal deficit is around $18.3 trillion. The American citizens have, for the most part, repeatedly refused to accept the passage of a dollar coin in circulation quantities. It is unlikely that this is going to change, legislation or not.

The US steel industry has been a major contributor to these misguided anti-cent/anti-dollar efforts, on the theory that the existing copper-plated zinc cent and the nickel five-cent piece can be easily and efficiently replaced by ... copper-plated steel versions. Ron Paul is a leading proponent of this idea (CMTSA, 2008). Given the copper and manganese brass amounts present in the composition of the Dollar Coin, it is not surprising that the DCA has also been heavily endorsed by copper and brass producers, mining interests, and related metals-industry firms, all of whom stand to benefit tremendously if the zinc cent were to be eliminated from production along with the dollar bill.

If you want to solve a financial problem, instead of picking on pennies and $1 bills, start worrying about the rampant, unchecked inflation that is debasing American currencies at exponentially-increasing rates. There would be no need to eliminate the cent if inflation hadn't made its real purchasing power less than 1/24th of its purchasing power vs. 100 years ago -- in 1915, 1 cent had the inflation-adjusted purchasing power of 23.9 2015 cents.
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 Posted 07/30/2015  06:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe that the" USA Act" has to have been introduced (again?) yesterday on the 29th of this month, due to the fact that, the DCA lobbyist I talked to, back in April, told me that they hoped to introduce the USA Act later this year, and that, if things go well, the issues will, or should likely be resolved this fall.
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If you want to solve a financial problem, instead of picking on pennies and $1 bills, start worrying about the rampant, unchecked inflation that is debasing American currencies at exponentially-increasing rates.


The fiat-based system used by governments worldwide are designed for inflation. It's here to stay and will never change.


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the removal of the penny and subsequent rounding up of prices would amount to a de facto "poverty tax" that disproportionately affects lower-income earners.


Totally disagree, low-income earners leave pennies on the ground just like everyone else. The buying power of these rounded values is nil, NOBODY would care if transactions were rounded.
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Many of the leading proponents of the "eliminate the cent" drive are corporate interests who stand to make extra money on every purchase of anything everywhere by rounding up to the nearest 5c.
This is a completely ignorant (unaware or uninformed) statement.


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An easier and more cost-effective solution would be to simply stop production of new cents, as there is easily enough supply in circulation to last for several decades,
An even more ignorant statement. If there are enough then why do we mint billions every year? The answer is because people thrown them away.


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The fiat-based system used by governments worldwide are designed for inflation. It's here to stay and will never change.
(emphasis is mine)

This is not an ignorant statement. It is one supported by the preponderance of evidence. For all intent and purpose, it is the truth.


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Totally disagree, low-income earners leave pennies on the ground just like everyone else. The buying power of these rounded values is nil, NOBODY would care if transactions were rounded.
Totally agree.

While the tinfoil hat crowd would have you believe otherwise, rounding goes up or down to the nearest (sales tax does this now to the nearest cent). I will add that many places will round down to the nearest nickel, just like many do in Canada since they eliminated the cent. Rounding down a cash transaction is still cheaper than paying fees to Visa/MC and others.
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The USAA Act (not "USA" Act) was introduced in July 2014, not July 2015, and is pretty much dead in committee...
Another thread was created this morning...

https://goccf.com/t/236538

This link was included...

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/t...icle/2569189
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The USAA Act (not "USA" Act) was introduced in July 2014, not July 2015, and is pretty much dead in committee...

It was introduced in July of 2014, but that Congress ended in Jan 2015 and all bills that hadn't been acted upon by that time died. To be considered by the new Congress that was seated in Jan of this year, the bill would have to be resubmitted. Apparently it was yesterday.
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Maybe we could get the President to publicly announce that he is in favor of keeping the dollar bill. That would help speed the bill through congress, right?
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I hope this Act becomes Law.
Lets hope common sense prevails.
It would cost the long suffering U.S. taxpayer $billions less if it does.
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I hope this Act becomes Law.
Lets hope common sense prevails.
It would cost the long suffering U.S. taxpayer $billions less if it does.

Actually, the way big government works nowadays, the "savings" from this or any other "cost-cutting" act will never be seen by the taxpayer. The funds "saved" will instead be funneled into something else. Politicians do not willingly let taxpayer money go. So the whole "savings" thing is probably moot as far as we're concerned.

I can see giving up the cent, and *maybe* the nickel. But getting rid of the paper dollar in favor of the dollar coin will be met with serious public outcry, because except for collecting all the presidents (and using them in slot machines in Vegas and Atlantic City), people greatly dislike the dollar coins. They've hated them ever since the SBA dollar (a.k.a. the "Carter Quarter").

That's not even counting merchant resistance to their use. Just from a weight standpoint, the number of dollar coins a business would need to continually make change for $5, $10, and $20 bills (or higher) would be seriously unwieldy compared with the equivalent number of dollar bills they currently keep on hand. This will be especially true during the transition period, in which people will still be paying for stuff with $1 bills, but the stores will be giving change in $1 coins.

Whether or not switching to dollar coins is a good idea (and I'm not judging here, just making some observations), the dollar bill will not disappear without a major fight from the public.
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Aahz,

You forget, there is still a $2 bill, which, according to most public opinion polls since the mid 1990s, when they first considered replacing the $1 bill with a "golden colored" coin (I believe they redesigned and reissued the $2 bill as a Federal Reserve note in 1976, first as a measure to try to cut back on printing less $1 bills, and save money, then, they felt it would be easier to replace the $1 bill with the Carter Quarter/SBA Dollar coin with the help of the $2 bill, after the "less $1 bills" idea failed)

Anyway, every public opinion poll since around 1995 suggested that IF the $1 bill goes, the American public will turn to the $2 bill as their "paper alternative" however, this would make it seem like replacing the $1 bill with the $1 coin was pointless though, as the new $2 bills would wear out just as fast as the current $1 bills do and they'd have to print just about as many $2 bills as they did $1 bills, due to the demand for $2 bills the $1 coin will create, so, there goes the government's tax payer dollars and savings from switching to the $1 coin. Am I the only one predicting a $2 COIN if this happens? A U.S. $2 coin would make just as much sense as a U.S. $1 coin. (And even a U.S. $5 coin would make a lot of sense, as I have read that, the $5 bill actually wears out faster than $1 bills do, or so a certain government website claimed)
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Actually, the way big government works nowadays, the "savings" from this or any other "cost-cutting" act will never be seen by the taxpayer. The funds "saved" will instead be funneled into something else. Politicians do not willingly let taxpayer money go. So the whole "savings" thing is probably moot as far as we're concerned.

I can see giving up the cent, and *maybe* the nickel. But getting rid of the paper dollar in favor of the dollar coin will be met with serious public outcry, because except for collecting all the presidents (and using them in slot machines in Vegas and Atlantic City), people greatly dislike the dollar coins. They've hated them ever since the SBA dollar (a.k.a. the "Carter Quarter").

That's not even counting merchant resistance to their use. Just from a weight standpoint, the number of dollar coins a business would need to continually make change for $5, $10, and $20 bills (or higher) would be seriously unwieldy compared with the equivalent number of dollar bills they currently keep on hand. This will be especially true during the transition period, in which people will still be paying for stuff with $1 bills, but the stores will be giving change in $1 coins.

Whether or not switching to dollar coins is a good idea (and I'm not judging here, just making some observations), the dollar bill will not disappear without a major fight from the public.


It has been proven in Canada that removal of the paper dollar and replacing it with a dollar coin (which BTW is almost the identical size as ours) works well. After a short time of grumbling it has been overwhelmingly adopted as part of every day commerce.

A couple years later they added a $2 coin and got rid of the $2 bill. While no one there really noticed that the $2 bill was gone (and they won't here either) the "Twooney" is also accepted in every day commerce.

Canada also got rid of the cent a couple years ago and the sky didn't fall in and life is continuing.

The USA should look north and follow the examples there that prove that a modern economy will survive changing tokens of exchange. Its time to put common sense ahead of special interests.

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