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Acetone Poll: Who Uses It?

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For me, the only option for using acetone, is one that is not listed in the poll choices...

"Only on the coins that absolutely need it".

Acetone is something not be handled carelessly, and avoid using it on mint state copper or bronze coins, for it can cause a photochemical reaction (giving a gasoline-on-water like sheen on surfaces).
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I've never had a coin discolor or get a sheen on it.
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So you are saying you just put all coins in something and pour acetone from Walmart over them all and let them sit, then pour out the acetone (maybe filter and re-use it) to jsut give a quick grime removal to all coins?
If so, what it your process and how many uses do you get out of the gallon?

I know it sounds sloppy and brutal. But in actual practice, I probably don't do anything that would offend most collectors.
Second question first, my last quart lasted about a year. I was bathing 4 or 5 nice coins per week, whereas now I am buying 20 really dirty ones per week. Your results may vary.
My procedure is to remove that which is not part of the coin and leave that which is. All the while I am learning. I feel that I can afford to be a bit daring as the last 35 coins cost a total of $2.45 and do not represent real numismatic treasures. I've done museum conservancy work in the field of firearms restoration, so I have an idea of what is considered acceptable by professional standards.
The work starts when the coins reach my desk. Each one is identified as it goes into its own baggie, never to touch another coin again. The first bath is likely to be previously used acetone. Bear in mind that many of these coins have actual dirt on them, and it is often instructive to run the fluid through a coffee filter just to see how much dirt was on a few coins. The bath is in a tapered glass receptacle, so that the coin is suspended by the rim, and never touches the face. After a coin soaks a bit in the acetone, it goes onto an inert receptacle for drying. A chemist's watch glass will do, but I enjoy custom slabbed and polished agate. It doesn't help the coin, I just like them. At this point the coins get an examination under magnification. Most frequently, the sand, dirt and low viscosity oils are removed. What remains will either be a hard wax in the crevices, or corrosion. After the application of other solutions, they will soak before getting a rinse in acetone.
Other solutions are commercially available and may offer varying degrees of success. (As I have not been doing this for a long period of time I hope that I will be forgiven for not trying BadThad's Verdi-Care. I am just about out of my first bottle of brand X, and got my trial size of Verdi-Care from Wizard just a few days ago. My first impression is that is a generous bottle for trial size. I hope to give it a try when I get caught up on a few other projects.)
If liquids alone do not remove all that I want gone, I may don a strong jeweler's loupe and apply mechanical persuasion. I do not encourage this technique for anyone else, and will not describe it. To do so would have the same predictable outcome as lecturing teenagers about the rhythm method or pyromaniacs about homemade explosives.
After all necessary repetitions, the coin gets a final rinse in virgin acetone and is placed in a clean holder.
Several baths mean that I can have several containers of acetone, each of a different level of contamination. When serviceability is questionable, the liquid gets downgraded to the dirt bath, and then properly disposed of.
While these aren't the best examples, they may show you something of my study coins.

Something from Nepal.
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I'm extra careful on something like my Morgans. And the proof is in the pudding. My last 4 submissions to a TPG came back with straight grades and no mention of cleaning.
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Maybe my mother is getting a Pyrex pie pan for Christmas then if I can find a graduated or fluted glass before I need to use anything harsh to clean some coins. I am sure I got pickle jars that will hold and rehold the varying cleanness levels of acetone when the time comes. Sure to save some money and waste somewhere so the acetone isn't just getting dumped somewhere after a single use. Since I will be using it mostly for tarnished silver if it comes to that, then I will be able to use the "brown water" version for cleaning pennies, nickels and such that will help me read the dates on them under whatever people end up getting stuck on them like, old gum, rubber band, tape, grease, etc.

Thanks for the detailed process! That Syrian coin is astonishing! I would have never known it had stars on the shield before cleaning.
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I've never had a coin discolor or get a sheen on it.


Circulated copper/bronze is fine, I was referring to red, mint state lustre.

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Over a period of 18 h the copper foil that was immersed in acetone and exposed to ambient light developed blue crystal deposits


I don't think anyone is just leaving their coins in that long. also its definition of "ambient light" is missing. how many lux is that? How much water vapor? how many ppm? If a mint state coin needs cleaning, then you got more to worry about than if it has luster or not left. Copper coins would be pennies, and they probably have zinc rot that would be happening quicker than patina to be removed and likely loose "mint state" in a year or two anyway because the most recent coins are just poor quality.

The patina on copper is actually protecting it anyway, though unsightly, there is worse that could happen to a coin than verdigris. and cleaning any metal just exposes more pure metal under any dirt to harsher thing, but metals are cleaned for many reasons. We clean so what we have looks better, and hopefully for as long as we live. The coins belong to someone else later. Hopefully still in good condition but over time ALL coins will succumb to the elements.
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Not a selection for "The coins that REALLY need it", so I didnt vote. I only use acetone on
1) Coins with dirt on them
2) Coins with PVC damage

There are a few exceptions, but I rarely use it.
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I am sure I got pickle jars


Consider avoiding pickle jars, especially with the potential residual acids, and they're just too, too, well, big.

I bought three or four jars of baby food to use those for acetone washes, dips, sloshes and whatnot. And who doesn't like a good jar of baby food!?
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no, I meant the pickle jars not for use of cleaning, but for storing different grades of used acetone. I mean you can't really pour it back into the container it came from without contaminating the entire supply.
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Acetone will attack and dissolve the rubber seals on jar lids. I save the small jars from store purchased minced garlic and usually toss them away after several uses because of the gasket failure.(depending on duration of each use)

It is best to store acetone in the container as purchased.
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Garlic jars dave?... are you trying to clean AND tone your coins at the same time
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Don't worry, it's organic.
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Sometimes there is a need to use a garlic jar



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"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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