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Valued Member
Canada
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Definitely a buyer's market right now. A few lots that caught my eye. 2015 & 2016 Maple Leaf shaped coins $225 2013 O'Canada gold plated silver set $304 2013 O'Canada silver set $188 2015 Legacy of the Nickel set $390 2013 25th Anniversary of the Maple Leaf gp $5 coin $54 Lot of 2 $100 for $100 coins $160 Even with the buyer's premium those that missed out on the original issue are laughing. Bad thing is the new custodians will be lucky if they come close to breaking even when they try to sell again. Starting to really regret many of my Mint purchases since 2012 and frustrated with the dramatic downturn. 
Edited by Proof Nut 06/21/2016 02:44 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Starting to really regret many of my Mint purchases since 2012 and frustrated with the dramatic downturn I thought this was a buy the coin because you like it forum...  But ya, 99 percent of NCLTs will lose value over time, so buy because you like them as they say. Unloaded most of mine, still have some but going to lose money on them for sure.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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In each of these cases, I would be looking for how small the margin above melt that each has. They will probably never carry much of a numismatic premium, unless most of them are melted.
Best collected as bullion coins; dont see much investment upside otherwise.
You may guess that I am not a fan of modern 'bright and shinies', although they may look quite attractive.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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They will probably never carry much of a numismatic premium, unless most of them are melted.
That's a good point to mention because in recent years the wide spread between RCM's issue price of new NCLT releases and bullion value by weight has increased dramatically. Aside from the bullion value, the numismatic premium is subject to the same concept as does most used or 2nd hand goods. If one feels obliged to follow trending values of NCLT in the same way as a stock portfolio, history has already proven it leads to disappointment. Buy a Charlton Volume 2 and compare current selling prices, the proof is there. Quote:
.....so buy because you like them as they say.
Yes indeed. If one does not have ANY expectation of future value and buys only for the satisfaction of accumulating a collection that's meaningful and rewarding - there's no chance of disappointment. (I happen to believe collecting a full series of maybe toonies or loonies is also a less costly but viable option in terms of continuity - the link between the past and the future.)
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Valued Member
Canada
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Quote: I thought this was a buy the coin because you like it forum... I totally agree as I'm sure do thousands of collectors who have been driving up the profits of the Mint. What bothers however me is how drastic prices on recently released coins(2013-2015) have fallen. I can count on one hand the number times in the past 10 years that I sold a coin to a dealer or collector above issue. I really enjoy the coins I've purchased but sometimes overspending, impulse buying and financial pressures necessitate the reselling of a portion of ones collection or as a means of acquiring new material. While I fully understand that the true value of any item is what someone is willing to pay, it is disheartening none the less and often one of the deciding factors when making significant purchase such as the subscription series. That said, I won't turn down a real good deal on a coin I've been patiently waiting for which helps to offset some of the losses.
Edited by Proof Nut 06/21/2016 8:24 pm
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The market is over saturated. Simple. Most of the top selling coins are the "X for X" that are heavily marketing on TV, print, etc. Of course the RCM *did* reduce mintages this year for some coins. Will that be enough to halt the trend?
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Valued Member
Canada
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I only got into collecting coins a year ago,initially for X for X coins; but I've spent $7,500 on coins this year. $2500 in XforX coins; $5000 of that was directly from RCM, but I've also spent $2500 in after market coins. So the XforX program is good for the hobby. Most of my purchases are on display and I have no intention to ever sell, I'll leave that to my grand kids. I've purchased the max allowable of the XforX and multiples of some that I speculate will go up in value; I have 4 of the queen's birthday coin, 3 of the parliament library, 2 of the mother earth. It simple supply/demand; the hobby will only do well if the number of people wanting to own the coins grow; RCM will mint to meet the number of people willing to buy which doesn't always equal the number wanting to own.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Quote:Of course the RCM *did* reduce mintages this year for some coins. Will that be enough to halt the trend? No, I can't see why it would make any difference. But reduced mintage is a sales tactic in a low sales environment whereby customers are motivated to hurry, buy immediately upon release. Benefits RCM, it moves their inventory faster, plus sell outs are a major component of their advertising to make it appear to potential new buyers that their product is in very high demand.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Quote: RCM will mint to meet the number of people willing to buy which doesn't always equal the number wanting to own. Very true. And the number of buyers interested in buying pre-owned NCLT generally has always been and will always be fewer, mainly because RCM never stops minting new releases (ie Superman coins). It's a commodity that keeps growing and growing in supply.
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Valued Member
Canada
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The way I see it there's likely around 5000 people like me who want to own the 1/2-1 oz silver RCM NCLT coins. Some coins desired more then others and we're all scrambling in the first few months to get our coins and then the demand is over. Most buy from the mint, a few pay a premium to get it in the secondary market and apparently a few are very patient to wait it out for an auction or door buster special.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Just look at the facts, the RCM , last few years releasing over 300 units, less than 1/3 sellouts so lots left in dealers inventories for blow outs, maybe 3 to 5 coins a year really popular. Collect what you like, but if you are 98% sure the unit will sell sooner or latter at below issue, why by at issue?
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Valued Member
Canada
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While I cannot disagree entirely with the sentiments expressed here about the value of NCLTs a bit of perspective may also be warranted. The value of collectibles as a whole, antiques in general, equities, commodity prices are all down. There has been a slowdown in the world, and certainly, the Canadian economy over the past few years. So while NCLT prices may have dropped, one must consider how much of that decline is from this particular type of collectible and how much from simply the state of the economy.
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Valued Member
Canada
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Great point clvlys. For some perspective from a complete neophyte: I made a stab at seeing what my local secondary market had to offer today. I stopped in the local 'we buy your gold silver and jewellery' place to see if he wanted to sell an ounce of silver. The first coin he showed me was some non-currency type of token, so I specified that I would be more interested in Canadian or US Minted silver. The second coin he showed me purported to be a 2013 American Silver Eagle, but as my pictures fairly clearly show (both are in another thread but I'll include one here for reference) what he sold me was counterfeit.  From the moment I told him I wanted my money back he stopped talking to me other than to demand the coin for inspection. He spent the next 10 minutes man-handling it (as if he knew full-well it was fake from the get-go?) weighting it, doing the magnet test, measuring it, etc... Finally he walks away for a minute to a back room and when he returns he's got $30 in hand and he slides it through the slot. Then he turns his back to me. I can guarantee I'll never give him any more business. I suspect once I left he washed his finger prints off it, put it back in the capsule, and put it back with his "silver" to try to unload on the next un-suspecting sap. I'd file a Police report, but the Toronto Police Services is notorious for avoiding anything that resembles actual work. In the end, it adds one more reason to just buy directly from the mint if it's a coin I really want to own or gift, if I can't even trust the local brick and mortar businesses. Known authenticity? That's worth a small premium. Some of their coins fall into what I consider a reasonable premium, and so I'm happy and they're happy too. Others, I feel are a bit too "premium" for me, and I fester with a bit of jealousy over those who might not have to chose to pass-by a coin that personally appeals. :P Also, it's encouraging me to get to one or more local coin shows so I can oggle some of these treasures in a more personal way than from you tube videos and mint listings.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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If it were me, I'd definitely file a police report even though it involves only one US counterfeit. The thing is an ordinary person has no way of knowing if this a regular scam by this business or just a mistake (however doubtful). I once didn't file a report for something that I considered minor and when it turned into something more significant later on, an officer gave me very good advice....."it is not a citizens job to decide if something is worth reporting or not. Just report it anyway and let the police decide that because you can't possible know what other information we are aware of..."
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Valued Member
Canada
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Thanks for the feedback WildflowerAB. Report filed. I'm not likely to ever give that type of dealer any business in the future. (Parkdale Jewellery Exchange on Queen West in Toronto, for what it's worth) but I also found a couple dealers on Spadina Street (The Legend Coins and Dragon Bullion) who don't have that "Fly By Night" vibe.
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