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Unknown Medieval Coin With Griffon And Crown-Identification Help Requested

 
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 Posted 10/12/2016  09:31 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This coin weighs 3.0 grams and has a diameter of about 28 millimeters.

I cannot make out any specific words, unfortunately, and most of the letters are worn/ clipped. Although the imagery seems fairly distinctive I cannot locate a match. Any help would be greatly appreciated.



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 Posted 10/12/2016  11:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DL20K to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it says GROSSI PRAGENSES around the lion and DEI GRATIA REX BOEMIE on the other side. I suppose the inner legend would have the ruler's name WINCEZLAVS... (or something similar). It would mean it's a Bohemian coin.
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10/12/2016 11:16 am
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 Posted 10/12/2016  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aiglet7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DL20K - you would appear to have the right answer! This link shows further details of the coin:-

http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces81396.html
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 Posted 10/12/2016  1:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DL20K to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And here's what might be the second word in the inner circle around the crown: TERCIVS (the third).

Compare the position of visible letters on your specimen with this old e-bay image which I enlarged:

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 Posted 10/12/2016  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Check giedrius's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add giedrius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bohemian groat of Wenceslaus IV of Bohemia (WENZESLAVS TERCIVS) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wence...V_of_Bohemia
Catalogue of Lithuanian half-groats 1495-1529 http://goccf.com/t/282866
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 Posted 10/12/2016  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coin forum, many thanks! I need to brush up on my medieval lettering.

I apologize, I guess that is a lion not a griffon.
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10/12/2016 5:22 pm
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 Posted 10/12/2016  6:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coin forum, just one further question:

Why is the coin enscribed Wenzelaus tercius (the third) when it is a coin of what history records as Wenzeslaus IV?
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 Posted 10/12/2016  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Differences in counting usually arise from differences between actual history and official history. In this case, the king we now call Wenceslaus III was the uncrowned son of Wenceslaus II, who ruled Bohemia for just over one year before being assassinated. He apparently either issued no coins, or issued coins only in the name of his late father. When the king we call Wencesalus IV came to power sixty years later, he seems to have conveniently forgotten (or perhaps even been unaware) that the previous Wenceslaus III had ever existed.
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 Posted 10/13/2016  12:54 am  Show Profile   Check giedrius's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add giedrius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Wenceslaus III (1305-1306) was formal ruler of Bohemia, but he was assassinated in Olomouc, 04-06-1306 before his coronation.
Catalogue of Lithuanian half-groats 1495-1529 http://goccf.com/t/282866
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 Posted 10/13/2016  06:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Too unimportant to count at the time, but later history is more generous. Makes sense.

Well, being royal was rough in those days, but they had real power if they could grab it.
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