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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I bet the coin straight graded AU 58. If you cracked it out and sent to PCGS, it would come back in a details cleaned holder. NCS did a butcher job on the coin. NCS should have told you not to conserve the coin and leave orginal.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
36789 Posts |
Sure don't hear many good stories about NCS.
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Valued Member
United States
484 Posts |
Ok, So here is the outcome. The first image is of the first time it was returned and the second is the final. Not really sure or understand the "scratches" detail and the manager of conservation did not understand as well.   |
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Valued Member
United States
363 Posts |
How could a cleaning get rid of scratches?
I know this might sound silly but is there such a thing as "properly cleaned"? How do they distinguish between "improperly" and "properly"?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3479 Posts |
Did you ever ask what chemicals or processes they used?
Hi, my name is MikeF and I'm a degenerate coin collector. I also like adventure, big trucks, long walks on the beach and the Kansas City Chiefs.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1249 Posts |
Didn't they clean it? If so, are they saying they didn't clean it properly?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
9147 Posts |
Boy that's tough to swallow as an observer. Not sure what I'd think if I owned it.
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Valued Member
United States
484 Posts |
Buckwil311, I am in the same boat as you#129300;, maybe I will send in all of the coins I have that have scratches and get them "cleaned"!
Mikef, I asked once and they would not tell me but I am going to push and see if they will tell me.
Chesterb, exactly, does that mean they do not know what they are doing or that they are conserving them incorrectly?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3058 Posts |
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I prefer the coin before it was submitted to NCS. Looks like the coin was darkly toned but had great luster before "restoration."
From the "before restoration" photos, the coin looks like it had environmental damage, and now after the second NCS restoration, it looks much better. Now, if I am seeing things wrong in the "before restoration" photos, I would probably be in the "should have left it alone" camp. But if I am seeing things correctly, the coin looks prettier, the details stand out better, and I would rather have that coin in my collection. And on top of that, it would be a lot easier to sell in the future.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
6602 Posts |
Are you saying that the "restoration" got rid of the environmental damage? I don't see any ED in the last picture.
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Valued Member
United States
484 Posts |
Mikef, I called and talked with them about what and how they cleaned the coin. There response was "we cannot disclose that information", If they were to tell what and how they do it then everybody would be able to do it and they would have no business.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3479 Posts |
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Mikef, I called and talked with them about what and how they cleaned the coin. There response was "we cannot disclose that information", If they were to tell what and how they do it then everybody would be able to do it and they would have no business. Figures. They do a crappy job and refuse to disclose the methods that failed. Why? Because if they reveal their 'trade secrets' on how to ruin a coin, everyone would be doing it themselves. Wait... nevermind, that's been going on for 70 years. What a crock of #%$&! Thanks for posting this. I think we should start a 'post of the month' program. Where we can nominate posts for their educational value. I would vote this the most informative post of August.
Hi, my name is MikeF and I'm a degenerate coin collector. I also like adventure, big trucks, long walks on the beach and the Kansas City Chiefs.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
16850 Posts |
Always seems best to just leave coins alone. The slab stating "improper" cleaning when they are the so called "pros" that did it. Amazing.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
719 Posts |
Thanks for posting, OP. Quite an education and what an ordeal for you to go through.
PCGS submissions 2005-2018. Mailings(21) Orders(43) / 249 coin attempts. 12 Fails(5%) / Member vouchers(19%) Economy(62%) Regular(13%) Free(3%) Express(3%) / Barber 50c (46%) Classic Commemorative (38%) Hawaii(3%) SCD (6%) Other(3%)/ Fails: Cleaned(2) Alt surfaces(1) Scratch(1) Damage(1) "86"(3) 2 Columbian & 1 BTW; Min Grade(2) DNC(2)-Same coin NGC XF40 Barber 50c. Express fees paid by seller (cross guarantee). Kept the coin & later submitted raw: PCGS XF40 [eyeroll] Fails: Econ(8) Regular(2) Express(2)/// Other TPGs: ICG (2011-2018): 35/35 NGC: 0 ANACS: 0
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