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 Posted 09/19/2017  11:40 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinFan2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello. I am hoping someone can help here. I have come across a 2016P Jefferson nickel that has a very weak left eye (right side when looking at the coin) and no right eye at all. The socket is there, just not the eyeball. The rest of the coin appears normal (see attached) I am still quite new to collecting so my question is this... Is a weak strike considered an error just as a double die or something similar would be?
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 Posted 09/19/2017  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF. Can you crop and repost pic? Looks like maybe a grease filled die or over polished die.Need a close up.
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 Posted 09/19/2017  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newbie234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It might be a polished die from a die clash. But I can't really see what's happening until we get a closer look.
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 Posted 09/19/2017  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with what Newbie said, but need better pictures and the pictures also need to be cropped.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
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 Posted 09/19/2017  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinFan2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hopefully this will be better.



Thank you for your input.
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 Posted 09/19/2017  2:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not by much, but it does appear to be a grease filled die,it looks too smooth to be an abraded die.

By the way to the forum.
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Thank you Chase007.
So, what does that mean? It is smooth as if untouched. One eye is completely smooth, the other is faintly there. No wear and tear at all. Nothing I can see of any scratches or marks. The rest of the coin appears to be unmarked as well. If it is "Grease Filled", does that mean it is not an error? If it is an error, there is nothing in the RedBook or Whitman publications that mention this, so I have no idea if there are others or if this is unique. I am planning to keep this coin, but it is interesting to see if I have something special here or not.

Thanks for the welcome too.

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 Posted 09/19/2017  3:31 pm  Show Profile   Check BigSilver's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A grease filled die is an error, but not a variety. one primary difference is that one-off errors will not be listed in any books.
What happens is that the cavity of the die, which is what creates the details on the coin is filled or partially filled with grease. When the coin is struck, some details will be light or even missing as a result.
It is probable that a few coins will exhibit the same conditions, but variety is only established by a die variety.
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I cropped the first picture. Hopefully its better than the last ones.
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 Posted 09/19/2017  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A grease filled die is the product of normal die maintenance where machining imperfections are removed (die claches, nicks in die face). Over-polishing may occur which causes the diamond abrasive polishing paste and metal to become lodged within the die devices prohibiting a clear thorough striking as you see on the pupils, they have been filled up with the hardened gunk. An abraided die is a worn down die as in this example:

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Thank you BigSilver. That explains a couple Kennedy's I have as well. I have two of them that are missing the inner ear.

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 Posted 09/19/2017  3:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newbie234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My opinion is it's a polished die.1 There where a lot of die clashes from that mint that year.2 The area around the eye seems to be completely intact.But as the name suggests,I'm still a newbie,But have looked at well over 100,000 of my 2nd favorite coins!
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 Posted 09/19/2017  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I adjusted the last Pic. and it looks like a filled die to me

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Thank you all for your input. It's appreciated.
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 Posted 08/08/2019  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NCSue to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I also just found one(unless you put yours back into circulation) :)
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 Posted 08/08/2019  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
this was a different issue. It is called over polishing of the die.

But on your coin it might have been an issue with feeder finger damage, they were trying to remove. I've seen examples of over polishing on different coins.








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