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Is this 1868 Spanish piece a medal, a token, or a contemporary counterfeit?  
 

 
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Hi everyone, I just found this unknown 1868 Spanish piece in a dealer's junk box. While the hole at the 12 o'clock position leads me to believe that it may be a small medal of some sort, but I'm really not sure. Any help IDing this piece would be appreciated!




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 Posted 10/10/2017  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Check BigSilver's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like an attempt at a 10 Escudos from Spain.
The real one would be gold. Here is the piece
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces37863.html
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There was an actual 90% gold coin made but your looks like a copy.

http://www.coindatabase.com/coin_de...cdb=2R230007

Oh, by the way – the book I gave you for Christmas has to be returned to the library next week.

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BigSilver & Mark1959 - Thanks! Yep, it definitely looks like it's some sort of copy of the 10Es. But is there any way of knowing if it's some kind of medal emulating the 10Es or even a contemporary counterfeit in a light-colored brassy metal?
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 Posted 10/10/2017  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Check PatAR's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add PatAR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There a number of threads on these forums that discuss these pieces.

They appear to be some sort of jeton or token and some appear to have been plated and passed (or attempted to pass) as counterfeits. Whether they began as counterfeits or as tokens is not even certain, because thus far no definitive information on their origins or precise history has been found.
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PatAR - Thanks for the info!
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I have seen these referred to as counters.

They are extremely common with the hole punched to dead center. Not many are seen without the hole and none appear with typical period cancellations.

I have always suspected these were used as jewelry suspended from a bracelet etc., but the idea of a counter is also quite viable.

I do not classify these as circulating counterfeits made expressly for that purpose. They fall into the same category as the Guinea and Half Guinea counters of George III of England. Some of these had advertising copy as legends.
My book on Counterfeit Portrait 8Rs is available from Amazon http://ccfgo.com/TheUnrealReales or from me directly if you want it signed.
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