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1773 Gustavus III D. G. Rex Sveciae. Information needed  
 

 
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 Posted 10/12/2017  10:21 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add kaikun2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message



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 Posted 10/12/2017  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UltraRant to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What kind of information are you looking for?

It's a 3 Daler coin from Sweden, but you probably already know that. Here's a link to the coin: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces64099.html

ps. I'm having a second look at it and given the mintage numbers... have you checked if this one is authentic? I got a feeling that it might not be.
Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!
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10/12/2017 12:28 pm
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 Posted 10/12/2017  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kaikun2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the swift response time UltraRant, No I did not know it was a 3 Daler coin the only thing I knew about the coin was that it might be a Swedish coin of some sort. I received this coin from my dad a long time ago on my birthday, I think he might have bought the coin at a local auction house somewhere in Sweden or Denmark, so I'm pretty sure that the coin is Authentic. The Information I'm looking for is primarily the grade, and the price for this coin.
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10/12/2017 1:15 pm
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 Posted 10/12/2017  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UltraRant to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, given that there are only 35.000 minted and that the coin goes here for thousands of kroner. I know one recently sold at an auction in Sweden for 662 Euro, it was auctioned by Myntkompaniet in May. The grade was similar to what you post here, so 1+ in our Scandinavian scale, I think. Maybe yours is even better, 01, which would push the value well over 1000 euro, up to 4000 if deemed uncirculated. 01 roughly corresponds to AU on the Sheldon scale.

However, there are a few things that made the alarm bells ring. First of all, I do not care much about stories or histories of a coin. Just that your father bought it a long time ago doesn't make it authentic: there have been coin forgers for decades, it's not something the Chinese recently invented: they just upscaled production to a whole new level. I suggest that you take it to a coin shop and ask if they can determine if this coin is genuine.

I'll give you a few indications on why I have my doubts. First, the A of the mint mark is way too weak. Also the 'sla' is quite off, and I'm not sure if it's just due to the planchet: also the horizontal line in the a seems to be entirely missing... The same goes for the top of the F there. There are quite a few more points which make me think the coin might be a counterfeit.
Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!
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10/12/2017 2:22 pm
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 Posted 10/12/2017  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kaikun2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
UltraRant thank you for all the research that you have done. There is on thing I didn't mention earlier about the coin, there used to be a needle at 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock. A few minutes ago I spoke to my father and asked about the coin, and he said that there used to be a needle at 12 o'clock and at 6 o'clock so he fixed the letters S and L himself. So I'm Guessing that this will draw down the value of the coin signicficantly
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 Posted 10/12/2017  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The pimple in the obverse field near the E of SVECIAE looks like a casting bubble.

The coin is similar in appearance to my fake Pavel coronation rouble, which I expect is Soviet bloc era. This might be a similar patriotic replica.

Is the weight correct? 29.25 grams.
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10/12/2017 3:11 pm
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 Posted 10/12/2017  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kaikun2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The weight is 29.25 Grams and 41 mm
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 Posted 10/12/2017  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cableguy815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Kaikun. This coin is known as a "Riksdaler" and is indeed a coin from Sweden. I have several of such Riksdalers and from what I can see of your image, your coin appears to be authentic (though it is very hard to tell from the pictures as they are small and I am unable to enlarge them). That said, without reading your last post I spotted the tooling marks at 6 o'clock on the obverse and noticed that the 'S' and 'L' were also re-done. I'd suggest you check the weight of the coin - I'm assuming it will weigh around 29g or so. Another reason I think this coin is authentic is people generally don't fill in holes on cast copies.

With respect to value, you can reference this page here: https://www.NGCcoin.com/price-guide...duid-1541638 Please note these are only book values and do not always correlate to actual prices on the market.

Assuming this coin wasn't tooled, if I had to grade your coin I'd say it would easily grade in the AU range (again hard to tell exactly because of the small pictures). However, your particular coin, aside from being tooled looks to have also been cleaned. These will detract a good bit of value. If I was purchasing this coin I wouldn't pay more than $100 but that's just me - I have an aversion to coins that have been visibly tinkered with. On the market you may be able to get $200 to $300 depending on your luck.

Here is an example of coin that was tinkered with (sold for $123). Granted your coin's detail is better and it has better visual appeal but this should give you an idea of the hit a coin can take if it was altered https://coins.ha.com/itm/sweden/wor...bnail-071515
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10/12/2017 3:35 pm
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 Posted 10/13/2017  05:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kaikun2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the info Cableguy815. I have decided that I'm going to have the coin certified by a professional for examination
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 Posted 10/13/2017  08:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why wasn't the pimple tooled off?
What is the possibility that it could have been the result of die damage or a corrosion pit in the die?

, it needs authentication by a specialist professional who can examine it in hand.

WE can't examine it in hand, but can only look at the pictures.

Take note of the comments made in this thread, and include those notes with your submission.
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 Posted 10/13/2017  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kaikun2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Se1_691. Today I visited a coin specialist and professional, who examined the coin and told me that it was Authentic. I also asked about the ''pimple'' and he told me that it's part of the design of the coin and not die damage or corrosion. However the letters S and L have been fixed because there used to be a hole there. This of course will bring down the value of the coin, a bit said the coin specialist.
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10/13/2017 10:59 am
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 Posted 10/13/2017  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cableguy815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't worry about the "pimples". Riksdalers are known to be laden with them. See this sample on NGCs own presentation specimen: https://www.NGCcoin.com/price-guide...duid-1541151

If you notice, lots of pimples, especially on the reverse, as well as a big one on the bust's neck area.

As for certification, I don't know if this is a good way to spend money. Your coin will most likely come back AU Details Tooled/Repaired. Not sure that would necessarily add much value to your coin.
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 Posted 10/13/2017  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UltraRant to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's good news that it's authentic! Just too bad about the damage... If I was told earlier about the reason then I might not have doubted... Anyway, take good care of it, it's quite a valuable and rare piece still. Maybe you can find a skilled person to repair it properly?
Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!
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