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1797 Large Cent - Another One For The First Page

 
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 Posted 03/10/2018  3:32 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Mark1959 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Picked this on off of eBay. My second 1700's coin ever. Makes number 4 for the 1st page of the Whitman Large Cent album.
It's counter stamped but I couldn't pass it up for the price. It's actually pretty fun trying to put this date set together on a limited budget, finding the best example with the lowest price is challenging. Here's also pics of the 4 1st pagers....







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 Posted 03/10/2018  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coconutjoe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks good.

I'm beginning to get fond of early large cents too.
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 Posted 03/10/2018  5:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USSID18 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
! It's a great feeling seeing those holes slowly fill up, isn't it? Beating the bushes and snagging the ones you like and want on a limited budget is really satisfying. !
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 Posted 03/10/2018  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice pick-up. The starbursts give your new coin some extra character.
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 Posted 03/10/2018  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lovely set starting to come together
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 Posted 03/10/2018  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If this is the grade level that you intend to collect at for these early issues - that is, damaged or extremely worn coins - then it makes sense. Such coins can be difficult to sell if you find yourself wanting to upgrade in the future.
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 Posted 03/10/2018  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RubyOpal to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's a great coin, Mark! Do you have "A Guide Book of Half Cents and Large Cents" by Q. David Bowers? I've been poring over it for the last 15 minutes or so, trying to figure out which variety you have. I think the obverse is the one Sheldon calls "Closest Date." Not sure which reverse, though - there are four with that obverse. I wonder what the history is behind that countermark?
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Congrats on the new pickup, bro! But what is that starburst from? I'm guessing it's a counterstamp of some sorts but who, what and where is it from?
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I hope Exoguy sees this thread. He might be able to identify it.
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 Posted 03/10/2018  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Check paralyse's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The big die bulge (swelling) and crack behind the ribbon is characteristic of Sheldon's S-139. It starts out as a slight triangular break (from the bottom of the leftmost lower curl to the rim at K8, and from the rim at K8 to the hair about halfway below the ribbon) with a bit of swelling, and in the late stages the swelling and fully developed crack obliterate the back of the hair.

It's a common variety (R2) but the die break tends to attract attention!

The grade is Good, with the usual reverse die swelling and some light even porosity, the color attractive light brown and steel grey; the countermark doesn't add to the value unless ExoGuy or someone else can attribute it.

Finding 1797 cents in any condition is tough, and even examples with problems are expensive, with problem-free coins rarely coming on the market and bringing multiples of "book" price when they do. So I would consider this a good pickup and "hole filler."
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 Posted 03/11/2018  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
paralyse nailed it. S-139 die stage V. Very late stage probably close to terminal.
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 Posted 03/11/2018  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Thanks for the recognition, guys. I just stumbled upon this thread. Sorry to report that, although I've seen these stamps before (so-called starburst), I'm unable to offer an attribution. I will say that these stamps may well have had some purpose, other than advertising. Perhaps, they were markers or checks of some sort?

It's been estimated that, just prior to the Civil War, between 10-20% of the coins in circulation had some counterstamp or another thereupon. Large cents were by far THE most abused host coins. My own collection includes over a thousand counterstamped large cents.

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 Posted 03/11/2018  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mark1959 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everybody for your replies and information - sorry I didn't get back sooner but pretty busy these days working on my parents house!
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This is the "grade level" that my pockets can afford.
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This is the "grade level" that my pockets can afford.
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