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1983 P Lincoln Cent Possible DDR? Edited

 
 
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 Posted 03/21/2018  9:15 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add piercethegrimes to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Pulled this from a BU roll of 1983 cents. Not sure if this is wddr-003? Notching on the "int" in "United" and a decent spread on "one cent" thoughts?














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03/22/2018 09:39 am
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 Posted 03/21/2018  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antmark3d to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a expert, but looks like die scratches...
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 Posted 03/21/2018  11:55 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not seeing any doubling. Just the scractches antmark mentions.
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 Posted 03/22/2018  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coppergold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes that is ddr-002. Good find! Very nice condition

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 Posted 03/22/2018  09:01 am  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OP thought this was DDR-002 not WDDR-002. This is definitely not WDDR-002 either. Yeah the die cracks match, but the doubling doesn't. There's no separation or extra thickness on the T or the FG. Look for the doubling then the markers, those are pretty common places to see die cracks.
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 Posted 03/22/2018  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add piercethegrimes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, I don't think it's ddr-002 listed by Wexler. I think it's listed as ddr-003. Any experts want to comment?
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 Posted 03/22/2018  09:58 am  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WDDR-003 is the same as DDR-002, so still a no from me.
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 Posted 03/22/2018  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coppergold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks more like 002 than 003. That's for sure. Even has the same markers and everything. Wait to see what coop says.
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 Posted 03/22/2018  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add piercethegrimes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The markers are for verifying the doubles die but by themselves aren't indicative of a dd. The listed markers for 003 on Wexler match. Read the description and it says cracks at both corners of the memorial and remnants of a die clash in the 3rd bay. This coin has the clash remnants but I didn't photograph it
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 Posted 03/23/2018  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Try this. Get a normal coin image from the PCGS coin facts site and make images that are the same width as your coin. Then put them side by side to see if the devices are enlarged or not. I'm not seeing it as enlarged, but will help you compare it side by side. I've always been able to do this in the past, but do not have the software any longer to do this on my new computer. (the new program won't let me adjust the rotations to match. But maybe someone else has software the can do that?)
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Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

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 Posted 07/29/2018  10:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was looking for images and see what I can find out on this one now that I have my old computer working again. (With Photoshop)
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 07/29/2018  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wexler lists a different one for WDDR-002. But WDDR-003 is the same as CONECA DDR-002 and Coppercoins 1983P-1DR-002.

None of the die scratches are matching this die? The hub doubling is missing off the 'E' on UNITED. Die crack on the right base is in a different spot. No hub doubling on the EPU. Does look like the same die as die DDO-002 or Wexler WDDR-003. It maybe one to submit though as the ONE CENT looks doubled. It might be a new die?

Now I spot two images of the same area that one is correct and one is not? So the question is:

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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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07/30/2018 12:13 am
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 Posted 07/29/2018  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely a Doubled Die Reverse. Very nice find and congratulations!
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
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 Posted 10/30/2018  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This looks like one on the PCGS site.
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