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RCM Commemorative Silver Dollars "by The Numbers" - March 2018 Update

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Below is my bi-annual "by the numbers" update on the RCM's commemorative silver dollar series (36mm only).

My first such post, back in 2012, listed 58 design types and 103 total SDs in a complete collection. My 2014 update listed 64 and 114, respectively, and in 2016 I listed 69 designs and 122 total SDs. Each of the listings was prepared after the first SD releases of the respective year.

Thanks to the higher-than-average number of Canada 150 SDs in 2017, the overall SD count has jumped quite a bit. There are now 133 different SDs required for a complete set and 76 different coins for a design type set.

A bit of quick math highlights the fact that in just six years, the number of distinct design types has grown by 31% and the overall total number of SDs has increased by 29%. The series has been active for 48 years, but over 22% of its coins have been released in just the last six years (roughly 12% of its timeline)!

I realize that for some readers, the table I offer may not appear to be of great use as there are no individual coin descriptions / images, no mintage figures and no current market values.

The table has a different purpose. It is meant to offer a high-level statistical view of the RCM's NCLT commemorative SD series to enable folks to get a quick sense of the overall scope of the series, identify coins missing from individual collections and / or potentially identify subsets of the series that can be the focus of a new collecting endeavor (e.g., enameled SDs, gold-plated SDs, etc.).

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At some point the RCM will just over run a good thing and turn all collectors off, this just confirms how costly it would to continue collecting a series
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It amazes me that collectors have not quit buying the new daily special coin already.
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Thanks for the update commems.

Just so I'm on the same page, is the 2016 'colourized' the Celebrating Canadian Athletes Olympic dollar?

I didn't collect the BU or most of the coins from sets but I'm nearly complete on the rest missing only the 2002 Queen Mum and the latest 2018 std. issue.

Per my records the issue price minus the 2002 Mum and the 2018 Capt. Cook is $3256.80 for 73 coins.
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Just so I'm on the same page, is the 2016 'colourized' the Celebrating Canadian Athletes Olympic dollar?

Yes.


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Per my records the issue price minus the 2002 Mum and the 2018 Capt. Cook is $3256.80 for 73 coins.

My spreadsheet comes up with a figure of $3,093.05 for the scenario you describe. However, my sheet tallies the issue price of the BU version of each distinct release vs. the proof (when both were available). As the proof versions were always a bit more expensive, your figure is likely on target.

Just FYI, a collector who purchased each type and variety of SD directly from the RCM (and purchased the various full proof sets to get the SDs that were not sold separately) would have paid $7,800.75 (CAD) to complete a SD set (as of the 2018 releases).

At first glance, that appears to be a big number, but it does represent 133 coins issued over 48 years; the average cost per SD is $58.65. That per-coin average would be reduced by at least $9 to $10 if the SDs available only in sets were purchased individually in the secondary market vs. via the full (and expensive) proof sets from the RCM.


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At some point the RCM will just over run a good thing and turn all collectors off, this just confirms how costly it would to continue collecting a series

I don't understand this comment and don't believe that it applies to the commemorative SD series.

The modern SD series (1971+) is the RCM's longest-running commemorative series and remains one of its most popular. I think one of its absolute strengths is its longevity. Collectors pursuing the series can build it at their own pace, assemble an impressive collection of attractive and meaningful coins and learn a tremendous amount about Canadian history along the way.

IMO, collecting a long-running series of coins is at the very core of coin collecting. IMO, completing any such series offers a far greater sense of accomplishment than assembling limited-run sets of two to six coins over the course of a year or two. Each approach is certainly valid - we all have to collect they way that works best for us - but I don't agree that long-running series "turn off" collectors (at least not those that view the hobby as a long-term pursuit).


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Wow Commems, well done!

I agree with you on the longevity aspect of a given series but I think john's comment was more about NCLTs in general.

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Figured I show my work. Please let know if you see any errors.

edited to add mintage numbers

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 Posted 03/24/2018  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JGG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Crazy that all those silver dollars from the 80s and 90s are cheaper to buy today than they were at issue price 30 years ago.

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Crazy that all those silver dollars from the 80s and 90s are cheaper to buy today than they were at issue price 30 years ago.


Noteworthy for sure though likely a function of high mintages and the exceptionally high silver prices back then.

The mint drastically raised their SD price in 1980 to cover the PM value (silver was nearly 50 USD an ounce in early 1979) but then conveniently forgot to adjust prices downward much when spot prices drastically receded. Funny, they did the same in 2011 with just about every silver coin they've sold since.
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So either silver is a screaming buy, or the World's worst asset.
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So either silver is a screaming buy, or the World's worst asset.


When silver hit $48.48 US in 2011 people were expecting $100 and beyond. [Hopefully nobody was betting on silver to finance their retirement.]

Like I said back then, there is enough silver available to outlive humanity. Physical demand does not (and will probably never) cause any fundamental supply pressure.

The RCM also needs to recalibrate to today's reality.
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Like I said back then, there is enough silver available to outlive humanity. Physical demand does not (and will probably never) cause any fundamental supply pressure.


If this is completely true, why are our silver dollars now bronze-plated iron slugs? Trying to understand...
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@CC-Ottawa: I noticed one thing in your listing:

- You have the "2007 Joseph Bryant - Thayendanegea / Std. Issue Enamel" coin listed with an issue price of $42.95. I believe the enameled Bryant coin was issued at $129.95.

I created a formula in my sheet to only total the coins in your list. Once I adjusted for the enameled Thayendanegea price difference, our number matched exactly.


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If this is completely true, why are our silver dollars now bronze-plated iron slugs? Trying to understand...

The following article is an interesting read and presents data from The Silver Institute regarding the annual supply and demand for silver. It helps bring a more short-term perspective to silver's availability.

Silver Pricing and the Law of Supply & Demand

The data table w/o the editorial content can be found here: The Silver Institute


To directly answer the question...

Using base metals (i.e., non-precious metals) for coinage will always be cheaper than using silver (a precious metal) and doing so also removes much of the potential volatility in the cost of metal needed to produce coins. The Government will almost always look to minimize costs and financial risks, so switching to cheaper materials was a good solution regardless of the availability of silver. At the end of the day, the buying power of a current circulating coin remains its denomination/face value regardless of its metal content, so does it really matter for day-to-day commerce?


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Thanks commems - had an issue with the vlookup which incorrectly grabbed the standard SD price and mintage for the enameled version.

Here is a corrected list.

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Methinks that when we do hit $40 again, a lot of people will want out again. Even if silver is cheap right now, I can't bring myself to spend $140 on an ounce of commemorative silver Mint direct.
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