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Is this a cud or is it post minting damage? (WLH)

 
 
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 Posted 05/26/2018  6:54 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add numismatist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
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Went through some of my Walking Liberty halves that I saved from circulation some 50 or so years ago. Found this one. The "cud" is at the date on the obverse. I also show the edge, the affected area is at the center. It appears like it might have been crimped on the obverse but I see no effect on the reverse. The "cud" blob seems inordinately large for such a small rim disturbance. Appreciate any comments. Thanks in advance.
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 Posted 05/26/2018  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mark1959 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a cud - congrats!
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The peripheral ridge at the ES in STATES on the reverse looks dented, too.

If so, it would be damage rather than a monster cud.
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 Posted 05/26/2018  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hard for me to say on this one:


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The peripheral ridge at the ES in STATES on the reverse looks dented, too.


Would a hit on the rim push that much metal onto the obverse?
Maybe a pic of the rim in that area will help.
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An edge photo at 6/12 would answer our question.
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Really a puzzle, but the coincidence of evident damage and a cud at the same spot seems unlikely.
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 Posted 05/27/2018  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is a photo of the rim. It is to the right of the coin photo.
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Yes, with those indentations on both sides of the edge, that's definitely damage.

If you didn't point it out I'd have never seen the edge shot.
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Here's a microphoto of the area.


Here's a closeup of the edge with the obverse facing to the top


Here's a close up of the reverse top (opposite the date area with the cud/damage)
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@numismatist6, I think that there was some damage to the rim followed by circulation wear and therefore it is hard to tell if there was also a cud when this guy left the mint. This particular area, if a cud, would be a little unusual in shape. As it turns out, there is not a single example of a Walking Liberty with a cud on the cuds-on-coins website. My advice is to contact them and let them decide what they think it is. If they agree cud, then you will have not only a pic on their website, but the entire category to yourself.
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@numismatist6, I think that there was some damage to the rim followed by circulation wear and therefore it is hard to tell if there was also a cud when this guy left the mint. This particular area, if a cud, would be a little unusual in shape. As it turns out, there is not a single example of a Walking Liberty with a cud on the cuds-on-coins website. My advice is to contact them and let them decide what they think it is. If they agree cud, then you will have not only a pic on their website, but the entire category to yourself.


Take Spence's advice. I would contact cuds-on-coins.com and see if they're interested in your coin for pictures.
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