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1983 P Lincoln Cent LMC - DDO Obverse Puzzle - In God We Trust At Rim

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Hello! After looking at this 1983 LMC I studied the VarietyVista photos for 1983 cents. To my eye, it perhaps is closest to the DDO-003?

One of the markers for DDO-003 appears to be a reverse die crack going from the building to between the I and T in United. I believe this coin has that crack. But the lettering does not look like what is shown for DD0-003. It looks as though it was partially stamped into the rim.

I tried to take many photos from different angles to convince myself that it was not just a lighting issue.

http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...3PDDO003.htm



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 Posted 05/27/2018  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This isn't a Doubled Die Obverse. It only shows Die Deterioration Doubling from a very worn out Obverse die. No added value for this, since it's common and is part of normal wear and tear on the die. Your coin is in a VLDS. http://www.error-ref.com/die-deteri...on-doubling/
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 Posted 05/27/2018  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Note how all the devices you are seeing as different are closest to the rims? That is called die wear. It happens to all dies as the die ages. It like a senior not having the strength when we was in his twenties. See on the fields how they look muddled? Normally the die would be showing die flow lines at the stage of its life, but it looks like the die a couple hundred thousands of coins ago, when through a die polishing. But if you note under the bust area, you can see what the die flow lines would have looked like if they hadn't been polished off. But they missed that area when they polished. So you have a coin struck from a senior die. Not ready for retirement yet. But soon.
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 Posted 05/27/2018  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin-curious to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Errers and Varietys and Coop! I know how that coin feels. Ancient! As a matter of protocol, should I change the subject so people are not misled by the question?

It's almost beer-thirty here and signing off for the day. Thank you again and have a good one.
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 Posted 05/27/2018  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin-curious to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also Coop going back to another tutorial you gave me on one of my posts, I should not be so focused on the outer parts... look inside I think you said.
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 Posted 05/27/2018  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Depending on the date of the coin. The new cents 1996 and new tend to show doubling in the centers. Pre 1996 can show the doubling on the outside edges and centers. Hope this helps. When you question what is normal for a year, look at the web sites, before getting into rolls of the same coins. That will help you know what to look for. What areas are affected and how. If it can affect one die, it might also affect other years around it. So always ask if you have questions. Best not be spinning your wheels, looking for something may not even be there.
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 Posted 05/27/2018  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin-curious to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We are going through coins that have been in plastic coffee cans in the house for 15 years or so. So my curiosity is that I know that have not recently been to a casino or a bank.

Thanks to you and others (can't emphasize coop how awed I am with your dedication of educational info for us novices, in my career I try to do the same and pay it forward), there are some coins I spend 2 seconds on and some that capture my curiosity.

I am always second guessing myself as a novice. I expect many started that way. I went through about a 100 83 coins today and only one caught my eye. Because I respect the time of the experts like you, I did not post until I thought I saw something unusual. And ebay clutters the mind. I can look up a coin and see it go for $15 and see the same thing in my hand.

And the end of the day, learning keeps the mind alive. This is fun. Thank you for your time I don't take if for granted. Precious.
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Coin-curious, keep going through that plastic coffee can when you have time. If there's anything strange or interesting to you, feel free to make a thread about them and ask questions. Don't be afraid, we're here to help you. The ones you went through already, you might want to look at them for a second time, especially if you second guess yourself.
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 Posted 05/27/2018  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin-curious to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Error and Varitsy if you were my sister in law I would send you the kiss kiss emojoi (twice is never enough for her) - that is her fave. Cannot thank you enough for the support and encouragement.
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