Calling Fake/Counterfeit Copper Collectors! Machin Mills?

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Toasted Wheatie New Member United States 2 Posts	Posted 07/02/2018 3:48 pm This copper coin was dug from a farm field, and it appears to be a KGII halfpence/halfpenny. Diameter, at widest, is a hair over 28mm. The problem is the weight. It should weigh in at 9.4-10.4 grams, but weighs 7.8. So I assume its counterfeit. Not uncommon. But the only countefeit regal George II halfpenny that faces left that I can find is a Vlack 1-47A. Apparently the rest all face right. The 1-47a would be Machin Mill's made in the 1780s and back dated to 1747. I know it's toasted, but I was hoping the weight was a definitive clue. I don't want to toss this in the drawer if it's a little special, as these seem to have some value. Any thoughts? I've read through old posts, and I know there's some experts here! Thanks for a great site! Report this Post to the Staff

jbuck Moderator United States 191235 Posts	Posted 07/02/2018 4:04 pm to the Community! Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
lcutler Pillar of the Community United States 1662 Posts	Posted 07/02/2018 5:50 pm Definitely not a Machins. My guess would be a genuine coin that lost weight to corrosion and wear. Could also be a some other counterfeit. Counterfeiting was common in England and early America. Report this Post to the Staff
Toasted Wheatie New Member United States 2 Posts	Posted 07/02/2018 6:00 pm Thanks lcutler. Just odd to me that it lost almost 20% of the weight. I have worse coppers that still weigh in at the expected range. Report this Post to the Staff
lcutler Pillar of the Community United States 1662 Posts	Posted 07/02/2018 6:27 pm It might be a non Machins counterfeit. The shape of the bust and shape and position of the lettering is wrong to be a Machins. Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 191235 Posts	Posted 07/03/2018 1:48 pm Someone suggested this topic was in the wrong forum, but I am not familiar enough with this piece to know where it should be other than here. Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
Kopper Ken Pillar of the Community United States 3402 Posts	Posted 07/03/2018 4:12 pm I would have to agree that the weight loss was due to the corrosion. Additionally how accurate is the actual weight, or should it be assumed to occupy a range. KK Report this Post to the Staff
HoboNickelCarver Pillar of the Community United States 717 Posts	Posted 07/03/2018 5:16 pm Neat Find! Report this Post to the Staff
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Calling Counterfeit Copper Collectors! Machin Mills?