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Calling Counterfeit Copper Collectors! Machin Mills?  
 

 
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 Posted 07/02/2018  3:48 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Toasted Wheatie to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This copper coin was dug from a farm field, and it appears to be a KGII halfpence/halfpenny. Diameter, at widest, is a hair over 28mm.
The problem is the weight.
It should weigh in at 9.4-10.4 grams, but weighs 7.8.

So I assume its counterfeit. Not uncommon.
But the only countefeit regal George II halfpenny that faces left that I can find is a Vlack 1-47A. Apparently the rest all face right.
The 1-47a would be Machin Mill's made in the 1780s and back dated to 1747.
I know it's toasted, but I was hoping the weight was a definitive clue.
I don't want to toss this in the drawer if it's a little special, as these seem to have some value.

Any thoughts? I've read through old posts, and I know there's some experts here!
Thanks for a great site!




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 Posted 07/02/2018  5:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lcutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely not a Machins. My guess would be a genuine coin that lost weight to corrosion and wear. Could also be a some other counterfeit. Counterfeiting was common in England and early America.
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 Posted 07/02/2018  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Toasted Wheatie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks lcutler.
Just odd to me that it lost almost 20% of the weight. I have worse coppers that still weigh in at the expected range.
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 Posted 07/02/2018  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lcutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It might be a non Machins counterfeit. The shape of the bust and shape and position of the lettering is wrong to be a Machins.
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 Posted 07/03/2018  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Someone suggested this topic was in the wrong forum, but I am not familiar enough with this piece to know where it should be other than here.
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 Posted 07/03/2018  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kurrency Ken to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would have to agree that the weight loss was due to the corrosion. Additionally how accurate is the actual weight, or should it be assumed to occupy a range.

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Neat Find!
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