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Here's What A Very Late Die State Coin Looks Like For Educational Purposes

 
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 Posted 08/04/2018  4:10 pm Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here's what a flat worn out die looks like. This poor die was pushed to its most extreme limits. I just want to share it with you (mostly for the new coin collectors), so you know what that die state looks like. Any comments are welcome, and feel free to call it ugly, because it is. Also, feel free to save these images for personal use or references.






More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
Edited by Errers and Varietys
08/04/2018 4:20 pm
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 Posted 08/04/2018  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jst1dreamr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you E&V
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 Posted 08/04/2018  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You're very welcome and no problem! Hopefully it will help.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
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 Posted 08/04/2018  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Didn't you already do a tutorial on Die Deterioration using this same example? Why I ask, VLDS and DDD are interrelated.... maybe should have continued it within the context of Die progressive changes? This may be a bit ambiguous and confusing, a great start to incorporate it all into one theme paper, and future chapter in your own book!
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 Posted 08/04/2018  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I did, but I wanted to share this on here for die state purposes. Just wanted to show what it would look like. Getting a coin in a earlier die state is better, if you're picky about die states. I'll show what an earlier die state coin looks like later, and why it's better to have an earlier die state coin.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
Edited by Errers and Varietys
08/04/2018 5:28 pm
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 Posted 08/04/2018  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is what is called constructive advice, Take it or leave it.. You remember how I developed my tutorial on Die Deterioration for Moxkings contest? Use progression stages, define and describe each pic, point out those fine detail.
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 Posted 08/04/2018  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I remember you doing that. Sure. I'll take your advice Crazyb0. I'll just have to get some of the same year coins together, in different die states.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
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 Posted 08/04/2018  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can cal them the "Coulda, Woulda Shoulda" varieties....
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 Posted 08/04/2018  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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You can cal them the "Coulda, Woulda Shoulda" varieties....


I would call it that, if I was selling it on eBay. Just kidding of course!
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
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 Posted 08/06/2018  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And here I thought the Mint made all of the Cents from the 80's look like that.
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 Posted 08/06/2018  11:40 am  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Haha just Carl! They really pushed these poor dies to there most extreme limits.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
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 Posted 08/07/2018  12:45 am  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's what a Mid Die State coin looks like. The details are still fairly crisp and sharp, but it's starting to get noticeably weaker. There's a "Ridge Ring" slowly starting to form at the top from die wear. The devices in "IGWT" are slowly starting to creep off of the edge a little bit.




Here's what a Late Die State coin looks like. The details are starting to get weaker and are not crisp. There's a "Ridge Ring" starting to form near the top edge of the coin. Die flow lines are starting to become noticable, and are flowing outwards. The "IGWT" is starting to fall over the edge, and are somewhat weak and mushy. This die will be ready for retirement eventually.




And finally, here's what a Very Late Die State coin looks like. You can see the heavy die flow lines, and it also has a very mushy and melted appearance to it. The details are very weak and has no crispness whatsoever. The bust is very stretched out, and is very weak. The "IGWT" has fallen over the edge, and is very weakly struck on the coin. His This die was way past normal retirement, and should've been retired a very long time ago!







Feel free to favorite this thread, and use it for future use. I couldn't find a Early Die State for that year, so Mid Die State was the closest I can get. Early die states are much more collectable and desirable by coin collectors. Also, die states matter, since coins can be worth more in earlier die states. Early Die State coins have freshly struck details, and the crispness is very sharp. I hope this helps. Let me know what you think.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
Edited by Errers and Varietys
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 Posted 08/08/2018  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Centsei to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks; very interesting. That last coin is quite ugly.
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You're very welcome and no problem! I figured I would post this for educational purposes about the different types of die states.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
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 Posted 03/09/2019  11:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jsertl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I got sent this link to this topic and I was reading through it and I have a picture you might be able to use lol

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 Posted 03/10/2019  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jlam79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the great tutorial E&V. That helps clear things up.
I need to study this post some more.
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