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2000-D LMC Possible New DDO - Doubled Ear

 
 
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 Posted 09/05/2018  4:04 pm Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Found this one a few days ago and I think it has a shot at being a new DDO, a Denver minted one too! There is very slight doubling to the bottom of the earlobe. The ear does not appear to have decreased in size, so I don't think it's MD or damage. I also sent these pics to Wexler and he says it might be. What do you think?






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 Posted 09/05/2018  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stoneman227 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hadn't expected that. Looks to have a good shot !
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 Posted 09/05/2018  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chronoswiss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting find!! Looks like the 1941 DDO earlobe.
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 Posted 09/06/2018  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is on the edge of the device and reducing that area. On the doubled earlobes, they are raised, not lowered.

All are raised, take a look.

On the outside edges of devices you find Machine Doubling.
On doubled dies they are raised and enlarge the area affected.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 09/06/2018  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is raised, about the same height as the rest of the earlobe, and it really doesn't look like the ear has decreased in size. The same argument you made can be said about the 42-S in that pic you posted; it's lower relief than the rest of the ear and it is on the outside edge of one of the devices. And we know that one is a DDO.

I know it may not be a doubled die, there's not much there to be 100% certain one way or another. But nothing about this looks like MD to me. If it's not a DDO, I think a die gouge or die chip is much more likely.
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 Posted 09/06/2018  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow Tanman, you've got a good puzzler there. I am inclined to go with a die gouge, although certainly would not be surprised if it comes out as a DDO. My rationale is more along the lines of the apparent variation between the height of the doubled section as it relates to the ear. It appears to taper from right up at ear level at the southern tip to considerably lower as it goes northwest. I would expect the doubling to be more egg shaped with a sharp, somewhat rounded drop off at both ends rather than a taper across the doubled area. Hard to explain clearly, but tapering like that should be on the far outer devices and not central like the ear. Just a theory, hope it is a DDO.
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I made a side by side and I remembered afterwards seeing the same subject come up before.

It issue is that the die was polished and it reduced part of the devices on the middle wear level to remove a die clash on that side of the head. This isolated polishing reduced the size of the left side of the ear and the lobe part was further away from the die clash. But when you look at a normal ear, then you can see the reduction of the ears devices. Size of ear and lines on that area are weaker.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 09/07/2018  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope it turns out to be a DDO! That's an interesting find.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
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 Posted 05/05/2019  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mailing this one off to Wexler tomorrow, will keep you updated.

Nevermind, wasn't aware of Wexler's situation.
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05/05/2019 9:49 pm
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Tanman2001, he's too sick right now to do attributions. He's unfortunately battling with Parkinson's disease.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
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