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Canada 1976 Double Clip (Maybe)

 
 
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 Posted 11/15/2018  1:32 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This is one that I always thought was a double clip but I now suspect that the larger one is not a real clip. It doesn't appear to fit the arc of a normal penny.
I'm still somewhat uncertain because there does appear to be some blakesley effect.
Can anyone tell from the pictures if these clips are both real or not?

Cheers, Bill




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 Posted 11/15/2018  1:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They're both real. On large clips, the curvature of a clip doesn't always exactly match the coin's, due to the striking pressure causing the metal to expand.
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 Posted 11/15/2018  3:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll take your word for it. The larger one's edges seem too abrupt to my eye, but I have little experience.
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 Posted 11/15/2018  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMO the smaller one might be a clip.
The larger one isn't.
Describe it as if there were no picture.
Picture it as if there were no description.
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 Posted 11/15/2018  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oldmike to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks good to me
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 Posted 11/15/2018  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add M_d_in_guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd say both are legit, look carefully and there is blakesly for both
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 Posted 11/15/2018  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Check gidjit's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i would say if the coin was at an angle (not lying down) or perpendicular to the punch when it was struck the result would be an eliptical circle or in this case arc
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 Posted 11/15/2018  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robmck1967 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
both clips look legit to me. the width of the blakesley effect opposite the large clip matches the width of the clip, there is slight dove tailing of the rim (although not a lot), and it is common for larger clips to not be exactly symmetrical. plus the tip of the leaf weakens as it nears the clipped area. if this was faked, the leaf wouldn't weaken, it would appear cut off. Nice one!
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 Posted 11/15/2018  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Legit (especially with the edge view of the clip). Larger clips often can get deformed (and not match the shape of the intended coins) when in the upset mill to turn blanks into planchets.
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 Posted 11/17/2018  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to everyone for the help on this one.
I feel a lot better marking it as legit now.

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 Posted 11/19/2018  7:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ainsivalavie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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@kanga: IMO the smaller one might be a clip.
The larger one isn't.

I agree with this...

I see very few thing on this coin that makes me think the large clip is authentic. On the other hand, I see several points that make me doubt.

But it is always difficult to be 100% categorical without the coin in hand.
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 Posted 11/22/2018  02:15 am  Show Profile   Check TerryT's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Think of the dies and coin as an Oreo cookie. The cream is the planchet between two dies. If you squish it with even pressure the cream spreads evenly out to and past the edges. If you put a ring around the edge so the cream can't escape; that's the collar die.
The next cookie had a problem. There was a semi-circle of cream missing. When the two sides were put together and squished, the cream flowed outwards to the collar but where there was a void, the cream is also squished in that direction and partly fills the void. There's no collar there to keep the arc perfectly circular. Metal also flows when squished.
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