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Solved: Anonymous Umayyad Fals W/ Pentagram. Ca. 760 Ad

 
 
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 Posted 01/04/2019  2:34 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add MetzKaj to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi all,

This coin is part of a set I bought from a seller who claimed the coins were from the al-Andalus (Spain) period. I have some doubts about the seller's explanation as three eroded Roman coins were initially part of the set. As I just started to collect these kind of coins I have zero experience and knowledge about date/origin. The only thing I do know about this islamic coin is that it has the Star of David (EDIT: Pentagram) on it.

Is there anyone out here who can help me with ID'ing this coin?

Thanks in advance,

Kaj
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01/05/2019 10:31 am
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 Posted 01/04/2019  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add txabs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is a lot of Al-Andalus islamic bronze coins with the Star of David. They are called felus (in Spanish, I don't know English translation)

I don't know much about this period, but maybe you can start searching with that

Regards
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 Posted 01/04/2019  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MetzKaj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks txabs! I will. I had no idea that such coins existed until today.
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 Posted 01/04/2019  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Check louisvillekyshop's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That period of Spain was Islamic and I hardly think they thought of this as a Jewish symbol, and they seem to have a long tradition with it being the seal of Solomon. Now just like the Star and Crescent was used by Greek Byzantion then the Byzantines and a whole host of others, today I think no one would think to use it for other than Islamic countries/purposes. When the Zionists decided to accept the Star it probably went completely out of favor for non others. The link below shows a ton of these stars on Islamic images.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-many-T...n-Candar-etc
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 Posted 01/04/2019  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Check louisvillekyshop's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
By the way, your coin has a 5 pointed pentagram. That was a Christian symbol once (along with many other things) for the 5 wounds of Christ. I have seen that carved into early Constantine coins with a knife.
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 Posted 01/04/2019  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MetzKaj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
louisvillekyshop, great insights! Was it just as 'common' to engrave this pentagram on islamic coins as with the Star of David? Is there any way to put this coin + pentagram in some kind of timeframe/origin? Are we talking about medieval period?
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 Posted 01/04/2019  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Check louisvillekyshop's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To be clear, people independently carved pentagrams in some 4th century coins. You coin was struck intentionally with a pentagram. Here is a good discussion of the coin type you have: The man translates it as:

Obv: There is no God but (pentagram) Allah (palm branch)
Rev: Muhammad is the (wavy line) messenger of God

http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/in...opic=28762.0

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01/04/2019 4:23 pm
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 Posted 01/04/2019  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To expand on the previous comments, this coin is an anonymous Umayyad fals of a type that is frequently found in Spain (al-Andalus) but attributed to a North African mint based on epigraphy. The Muslim conquest of Spain was launched from North Africa in AD 711. It is possible that some, particularly those struck on diminutive flans, are local Spanish imitations of the North African type.

Frochoso (2001), Los Feluses de al-Andalus, p. 24, III-a.

Walker (1956) A Catalogue of the Arab-Byzantine and Post Reform Umaiyad Coins, p. 217, P.116 (snippet below).


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01/04/2019 7:30 pm
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 Posted 01/05/2019  07:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MetzKaj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all! What a wonderful coin.
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