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Beautiful Overstruck Islamic Coin Deserves An ID - Bits Of Greek/Roman?

 
 
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 Posted 01/08/2019  03:51 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add MetzKaj to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
A mind-boggling coin that was part of the Andalus lot. It's a beautiful coin, but I can't say it looks even remotely like those early islamic coins. I also haven't found it in the Umayyad-listings. Am I wrong?


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01/08/2019 06:49 am
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 Posted 01/08/2019  04:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is this from the same lot?
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 Posted 01/08/2019  04:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MetzKaj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, presumably all andalus, but there are some in it which are leaning more towards indian I guess? I have no clue as I can't read the inscriptions, which is a big handicap in this kind of collecting area I suppose..
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 Posted 01/08/2019  05:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is helpful information. It is an overstrike, one coin struck over an earlier coin, which is why it looks jumbled. My suspicion is that it is Frochoso group II, a North African type struck over a coin of Tabariyya (Tiberias) in Palestine, featuring a lion. In this scenario, the coin would have been carried west with the Umayyad forces invading North Africa and then used as a "blank" to strike a local issue in North Africa. If the images are re-oriented properly, the lion is clear on one side and the 2-line North African reverse is legible on the other. There may even be yet a third type or a different undertype. There are elements I can't explain such as the wreath-like bit in front of the lion. Perhaps the lion itself is part of a Greek or Roman coin used as a blank!?


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Amazing ID'ing right here! Have you ever seen this wreath-like bit on coins? Since I bought the lot I've been searching all the listings of Ummayad and (ancient) Indian coins, but I have yet to stumble on a coin that is using the wreath instead of the usual outlines and dots. A Greek/Roman undertype.. Hmmm.. Any expert on Greek / Roman coins willing to help us out here? This coin is urging me to be deciphered.
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 Posted 01/08/2019  06:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@KS

Nicely done.
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WOW!! Thats real insight!...I looked at it and saw..... scribbles ...Paul

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