Coin Community Family of Web Sites
Like us on Facebook! Subscribe to our Youtube Channel! Check out our Twitter! Check out our Pinterest!
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some coins?
Our coin forum is completely free! Register Now!

1770 8R Dos Mundos, Low Weight Because of Wear?

 
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
New Member

Philippines
4 Posts
 Posted 01/11/2019  04:53 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add abebos to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Good day!

I would like to have your opinion on this one.

Thank you!





Valued Member
Spain
65 Posts
 Posted 01/11/2019  06:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Volvicch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How much does it weigh?
Pillar of the Community
Hong Kong
1204 Posts
 Posted 01/11/2019  07:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree. Real one.
Pillar of the Community
Learn More...
United States
826 Posts
 Posted 01/11/2019  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgenn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does not appear too worn, but possibly weakly struck, if genuine. The weight should not be less than 26.8g, in my opinion. I don't like the edge because it shows way more wear than the surfaces -- as if it was deliberately done to hide something -- maybe shaving or a casting seam. Check the specific gravity to make sure it's 90% silver.
Edited by jgenn
01/11/2019 11:49 am
Bedrock of the Community
United States
15632 Posts
 Posted 01/11/2019  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The edge looks like some shaving was done.
Pillar of the Community
Learn More...
Canada
6669 Posts
 Posted 01/11/2019  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dorado to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To the Forum.
Valued Member
United States
118 Posts
 Posted 01/11/2019  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gallienus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So what is the weight -as listed in your topic?
New Member
Philippines
4 Posts
 Posted 01/12/2019  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add abebos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sorry that I forgot to type in the weight! It is 26.4g.

Thank you!
Pillar of the Community
United States
4735 Posts
 Posted 01/12/2019  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
abebos

The 1770 columnarios often have a very high relief edge detail. Here I see clear edge filing so I would attribute the weight loss to both edge shaving and some wear. Here is the smoking gun so to speak:



Notice in particular between the pair of arrows that there are two clear ridges caused by the intersection of two filing planes. This is absolutely artificial wear to steal silver.

The coin is most probably genuine - I see no red flags to make me believe it is a fake. However, because of the edge filing I do not see the coin as of great interest nor value.
My book on Counterfeit Portrait 8Rs is available from Amazon http://ccfgo.com/TheUnrealReales or from me directly if you want it signed.
New Member
Philippines
4 Posts
 Posted 01/13/2019  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add abebos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ahhh I see. I paid $153.

I also became weary because of the worn edge, and the weight. But the coin's details are good. So I bought it.

I'm from the Philippines, and aside from the fake trade, morgan, flowing hair, etc dollar coins; there's also alot for fake 8r dos mundos here.

Thank you for your insights Sirs! Another knowledge added!
Pillar of the Community
United States
4735 Posts
 Posted 01/13/2019  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
abebos You say:
Quote:
I'm from the Philippines, and aside from the fake trade, morgan, flowing hair, etc dollar coins; there's also alot for fake 8r dos mundos here.


The fact that the Philippines has many fake coins is not a surprise based on what I know of history. Remember one important fact - not all fakes are worthless. There are two types of fakes - Contemporary Counterfeits made at the same time as the coin they copy and Numismatic Forgeries which are recently made fakes meant to fool collectors. The old fakes the Contemporary Counterfeits are often worth a substantial amount of money.

So if I were you I would learn to tell the two types apart and hunt for the early counterfeit types known to have been used in your country.
My book on Counterfeit Portrait 8Rs is available from Amazon http://ccfgo.com/TheUnrealReales or from me directly if you want it signed.
  Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.

Coin Community Member eBay Sales

Certified Coins   Certified VAMs   Certified Errors  




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2019 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2019 Coin Community Forums
It took 1.03 seconds to rattle this change. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05