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1770 8R Dos Mundos, Low Weight Because Of Wear?

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 Posted 01/11/2019  04:53 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add abebos to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Good day!

I would like to have your opinion on this one.

Thank you!

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 Posted 01/11/2019  06:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Volvicch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How much does it weigh?
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 Posted 01/11/2019  07:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree. Real one.
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It does not appear too worn, but possibly weakly struck, if genuine. The weight should not be less than 26.8g, in my opinion. I don't like the edge because it shows way more wear than the surfaces -- as if it was deliberately done to hide something -- maybe shaving or a casting seam. Check the specific gravity to make sure it's 90% silver.
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The edge looks like some shaving was done.
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To the Forum.
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 Posted 01/11/2019  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gallienus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So what is the weight -as listed in your topic?
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 Posted 01/12/2019  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add abebos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sorry that I forgot to type in the weight! It is 26.4g.

Thank you!
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abebos

The 1770 columnarios often have a very high relief edge detail. Here I see clear edge filing so I would attribute the weight loss to both edge shaving and some wear. Here is the smoking gun so to speak:

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Notice in particular between the pair of arrows that there are two clear ridges caused by the intersection of two filing planes. This is absolutely artificial wear to steal silver.

The coin is most probably genuine - I see no red flags to make me believe it is a fake. However, because of the edge filing I do not see the coin as of great interest nor value.
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ahhh I see. I paid $153.

I also became weary because of the worn edge, and the weight. But the coin's details are good. So I bought it.

I'm from the Philippines, and aside from the fake trade, morgan, flowing hair, etc dollar coins; there's also alot for fake 8r dos mundos here.

Thank you for your insights Sirs! Another knowledge added!
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abebos You say:
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I'm from the Philippines, and aside from the fake trade, morgan, flowing hair, etc dollar coins; there's also alot for fake 8r dos mundos here.


The fact that the Philippines has many fake coins is not a surprise based on what I know of history. Remember one important fact - not all fakes are worthless. There are two types of fakes - Contemporary Counterfeits made at the same time as the coin they copy and Numismatic Forgeries which are recently made fakes meant to fool collectors. The old fakes the Contemporary Counterfeits are often worth a substantial amount of money.

So if I were you I would learn to tell the two types apart and hunt for the early counterfeit types known to have been used in your country.
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