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 Posted 04/17/2019  2:47 pm Show Profile   Check FVRIVS RVFVS's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Typical "whodunnit" request
The second appears to be a "barbarous" ?
The first one I am not so sure about

No.1 0.96 grams 11-11.5mm

No.2 1.22 grams 14-14.5mm




Any opinionations ?
What I originally opined as an A or Δ behind portrait #1 I now believe to be the cords hanging from a diadem
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04/17/2019 2:50 pm
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 Posted 04/17/2019  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Smaller one maybe Valentinian III?, the other Honorius?
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 Posted 04/17/2019  3:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Barbarous? Perhaps it's just a poor strike from a late roman die...the gap between barbarous and official was already very tight by Honorius' time - that bust after Valentinian III doesn't look so bad.

The second looks like it could be anyone- certainly late, but without the end of the VICTOR... and without the legend, I doubt there is further to go.
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 Posted 04/17/2019  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Check FVRIVS RVFVS's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes ?
No ?
Or maybe ?

0.83 grams



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 Posted 04/18/2019  04:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pilegicvs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first coin looks like Valentinian III, maybe RIC X 2118, 2120, 2121 or 2122. There's not enough detail on the Obverse to pin it down from the supplied photos.

The second coin may be an Imitative of Constantine, GLORIA EXERCITVS type - 2 soldiers with 1 standard between them. The "style" of the soldier on the left reminds me of the many imitative figures seen on coins of Tetricus Imitatives...
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 Posted 04/18/2019  07:08 am  Show Profile   Check FVRIVS RVFVS's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin which I posted above mine (0.83 grams) was sold by a "respectable" source as an of the Emperor Avitus AD 455-6
Hard to be certain but
I am getting a warm and 'fuzzy' feeling about it
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 Posted 04/18/2019  09:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is some dispute over whether the alleged Avitus AE4 coins had ever really existed at all.

IIRC, the type is now supposed to be attributed to Honorius.
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 Posted 04/18/2019  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Right coin I agree is barbarous.

Left, I could see it being Valentinian III, but ultimately without a legend it cannot be attributed with certainty. These terminal minimi are too crude, look too much like each other, and are too watered with "Volkerwanderung" imitations to identify based on portrait style alone.
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 Posted 04/18/2019  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Avitus? As january1may alludes to, only one convincing copper coin bearing the name AVITVS exists and it isn't this type. Looking around, I can see this type is attributed to Avitus, but this seems to be on the basis of partial legends (there are several examples that show ...-VS PF AVG). It seems to be that the late style and the short legend are what pin this to Avitus. I'd definitely put 'Avitus' on the flip, but I wouldn't be so sure its correct.
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 Posted 04/18/2019  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For the coin on the left, this VICTOR-IA AVGGG type was issued at only four western mints. Of those, only Rome placed the officina letter in left field and only for Valentinian III. Thus Valentinian III, AE4, VICTOR-IA AVGGG, Victory left holding wreath and palm, Rome (RM) mint, 2nd (S) officina. LRBC II, 845.


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04/18/2019 5:14 pm
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My copy of Sear Vol V lists a VICTORIA AVGGG for Valentinian (the turd) but the Officina mark S is listed as being in exergue after the mint mark
The only one of this type that I can find with S in field left is for Avitus
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 Posted 04/18/2019  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sear is a collector price guide which includes only a sampling of known varieties. RIC X (p. 390) states the Avitus #2413 coin which Sear cites is reported but "confirmation required".
On the other hand, both P and S in left field are attested for Valentinian III by examples in the BM. That being said, I see no reason not to note that while Valentinian III is the stronger possibilty, the same reverse and mint mark may also exist for Avitus.
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04/18/2019 7:06 pm
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 Posted 04/18/2019  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I note that this is Esty type 55, and the respective image page shows several examples for Honorius with S in left field (as well as at least one blurry Valentinian III).

Alas, I cannot find the article I have originally read about it - there was a comment about how an example of the same type with a clear left half of the legend, and thus clearly Honorius (and not Avitus), sold on eBay for something like $2.

EDIT: now that I think of it, Johannes might be another option - the OP coin kind of looks like there's a beard in there. Hard to tell at that level of portraiture. Compare this example by echizento.
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04/18/2019 8:57 pm
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Yes. In RIC X, this type with S in left field is attested for Honorius (C), Valentinian III (R2), Johannes (R4) and possibly Avitus (Unconfirmed). LRBC does not list Johannes or Avitus but RIC is more recent. In hindsight I should have gone to RIC X first but LRBC's format is (theoretically) easier to scan for specific mint marks. I'm not sure how I overlooked Honorius.
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04/18/2019 9:52 pm
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