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1987 D Lincoln Memorial Cent MMS-012 (Thank You Still Lookin!)

 
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 Posted 04/23/2019  8:14 pm Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I got this for free in the mail by still lookin. It's a mintmark style that was supposed to be used in 1988, but some of the 1987's have them for some reason. http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...7DMMS012.htm


More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 04/23/2019  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tunnioc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Thank you Tunnioc! Definitely a very interesting piece for sure.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 04/23/2019  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmm... odd for sure. Not saying I can tell the difference but I trust the two of you.
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1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
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 Posted 04/23/2019  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you GrapeCollects! It's a very usual mintmark style variety. Not too many people know about this. I didn't even know about it, until it was brought up on CCF.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 04/23/2019  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There were actually two different mint marks used that year:
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 Posted 04/23/2019  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Coop for the additional information!
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 04/23/2019  10:47 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm blind so explain it like I'm five. What are the differences? Either I need glasses or I'm an imbecile!
My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
ANA id: 3194067
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 Posted 04/24/2019  12:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The shapes of the mintmarks have a different fonts. Just like different fonts we use on documents, the shapes of the designs are different. Look at the shapes of the upper and lower serifs (the NW corner and the SW corners) the punch that adds the mintmarks to the dies are different.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 04/24/2019  05:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On MM 12 the top and bottom on the left hang over equally,and on MM 11 the the top is shorter? On EVs' coin it looks like MM 11 to me? Please explain more,thanks.
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 Posted 04/24/2019  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm still confused too John. Kudos if they can tell.
My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
ANA id: 3194067
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 Posted 04/24/2019  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That looks to me like the MMS-011. The thickness of the devise makes me believe that. Here is a pic of an actual MMS-012. It took me a while to differentiate the two. Compare the two side by side and you can see the difference in overall size. Also the MMS-011 is thicker from the field to the top of the devise. Another way to tell the two is on the inside of the devise itself, on the MMS-011 the inside of the devise curses inward, on the MMS-012 there is no curving inward, it is flat.
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Below are two mintmarks from different 1987 Denver cents. Are the same style or different?



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I am going to try to get a better picture of that area tomorrow, since the picture has a ton of glare.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 04/25/2019  12:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The two are the same style. Both are MMS-0011 (Large serif on the bottom)

The MMS-012 has the large serif on the top.
Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 04/25/2019  04:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jims pic looks like a MM11 to me.
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