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Ebay Fake Csa ID On What I Think Is A Fake 1861 Half Dollar

 
 
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 Posted 05/15/2019  9:26 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Bids have now exceeded $100 on this apparently cast piece.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1237622700...l_noapp=true




Here's a link to an article on these fakes ...

https://www.coinbooks.org/v20/esylu...0n39a07.html



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05/15/2019 9:28 pm
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 Posted 05/15/2019  10:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice quick read,I've never seen a real or fake one,however if the war started around 1860 and ended around 1865, wouldn't the coin have more detail to it?, since a 1861 coin would only have been (at most) 3 to 4 years in circulation? Think I'll do a goggle search to find examples of real ones..Thanks for posting
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 Posted 05/15/2019  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An easy to spot fake
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 Posted 05/16/2019  05:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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... wouldn't the coin have more detail to it?, since a 1861 coin would only have been (at most) 3 to 4 years in circulation?


These fakes were made to look aged, and the casting adds to the illusion as such. Potential buyers, Civil War buffs, will then assume that the piece was resurrected from some battlefield. Note that the names used by the fakers are those of actual Confederate soldiers.

Since the names are in cursive writing, there's also the appearance of these fakes then being personalized, unique pieces. In truth, multiple examples exist for each name. I did spot one, more deceptive example that sold on eBay some months ago. One of these fake dies was apparently applied to a genuine, 1861-O half dollar.

To my knowledge, no Confederate ID disks have as yet been found. There are many hundreds of Union ID disks known; almost exclusively on die struck, Union medals of different patriotic designs. The reverses of these typically half dollar-sized medals were left blank in order accommodate each soldier's personal info - name, rank, regiment, etc.

BTW, I wrote to the seller, telling him how to easily verify this fake. He did not reply. I've reported it to eBay. I'm expecting that some buyer will likely get stung on this purchase; this, given the rising bids and as the seller offers no returns.


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An easy to spot fake


For some, yes. Over the years, I've encountered a number of otherwise knowledgeable coin dealers who've been fooled by these. IMHO, Civil War buffs are generally more susceptible to being victimized by these "fantasy" fakes.
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 Posted 05/16/2019  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WOW...3rd bidder jumped in..all with many reviews..Only 1 will get stung
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 Posted 05/16/2019  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratman4762 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I seem to remember reading about those somewhere on this forum a few months back (and the link to the article).
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 Posted 05/16/2019  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Check paralyse's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I love how the seller misreads "Forrest" as "Torrert"

100% pure fantasy.
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 Posted 05/16/2019  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WOW .... Closed at $395 for a flea market fantasy piece.

@ratman4762 .... I've posted similar pieces in the past because many folks get stung on them.
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Another newbie Ebayer gets stung. Let's see if the seller finds a bunch more of these in grandpa's attic.
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