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A Unique 1916 Canada One Cent - Any Ideas What Happened Here ?

 
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 Posted 05/24/2019  09:00 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Can anyone explain what`s going on here ? Looks like a brockage error. In the last two photos, I took an impression of the coin in reverse.






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 Posted 05/24/2019  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a mid-evil vise job...But why?..
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 Posted 05/24/2019  10:57 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Post mint damage - another coin was pressed into it. The flattening of the obverse also indicates this.

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 Posted 05/24/2019  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good question. How can one tell the difference between a garage job and the real thing...any indicators ? I lke these types of errors when they`re the real thing though, not an attempt at making an error coin or someone just messing with around and then decides to dump it. Gladly I paid almost nothing for it.
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 Posted 05/24/2019  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin-Flipper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Counterbrockage - A planchet fed in on top of a coin with a partial brockage?
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 Posted 05/24/2019  11:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would have one question. If a coin was pressed into it, how does the T in Cent escape being flattened when all around it is. It looks here like the impression of the King was made before the Reverse and is much deeper while the T is still raised.

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 Posted 05/24/2019  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fioti to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thats what I was wondering, TKO.
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 Posted 05/24/2019  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seems like maybe there`s more going on here than meets the eye so-to-speak.
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 Posted 05/24/2019  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Check nickelsguy's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
squeeze job, the T is fattened some as well.
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 Posted 05/24/2019  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Seems like maybe there`s more going on here than meets the eye so-to-speak.


Not a chance. Nope. Never. If you study how the coins were struck, including the rim (collar die), you will know that something like this is impossible to do at the mint.
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 Posted 05/24/2019  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SPP-Ottawa - I just bought a book on Diecaps & Brockage. Interesting but not much info. Trying to find as much as I can, only finding bits n pieces here and there.

Can you recommend any books or web-links with more info of the entire process. I have a degree as a machinist that dates back 3o years & this stuff intrigues me. I`m subscribed to multiple `How`d they do that` type channels on youtube.
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I agree. Some sort of vise job.
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 Posted 05/24/2019  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Badger Mint to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The fact that the obverse has an extreme amount of flattening kind of overrules anything going on on the other side.
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 Posted 05/24/2019  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are lots of books - but the main issue is that most are written for US error coins, whose mints operated (and still operate) different presses than those Canadian mints use.
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 Posted 05/24/2019  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@SPP-Ottawa - I found a post on this forum where you explain a little the process, thanks for that. I also found a few images, videos and explanations, I guess enough to get the gist of it. But I still am missing where you say knowing about the process would show this impossible. What are you looking at that I`m not perceiving, if you don`t mind briefly sharing.
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 Posted 05/27/2019  09:25 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Think of a Type 2 blank planchet, and how a rim is formed...
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