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 Posted 05/24/2019  2:29 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
My question is this, if there werent any design change from one year to the next would the same dies be used if not worn the next year?
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 Posted 05/24/2019  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jim, good question! I think they do it sometimes.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 05/24/2019  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biedercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jim, just to clarify, are you talking about the dies used to strike reverse proofs or the more common dies used to strike the reverse side of circulating coins?
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 Posted 05/24/2019  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Common dies.
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In the interest of seigniorage, I'd see no reason not to do so.
- About two score and seven+ years ago, I began a Lincoln cent collection. I have all, most in AU or better & am upgrading to MS as possible.
- I collect all coins minted 1809, 1859, 1909, 1959, and 2009. Lincoln and C.Darwin were both born in 1809. The latter published his "On the Origin of Species.." in 1859, the Lincoln cent debuted in 1909, and after that it just seemed like a good way to show the evolution of US coinage. Most non-nums to whom I've shown these react with the phrase, "I had no idea!" That alone shows their worth.
- I've completed MS sets of Jeffersons & MS specimens of other 5 nickels; Franklins done. Roosies mostly done. I enjoy hunting for WLH and "winged liberty" dimes.
-- If I left my early Washington quarter book at one of y'alls house, please ring me up.
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 Posted 05/24/2019  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Using the wrong hubs was the problem on the 1998-2000 LMC reverses. Some proof dies were hubbed with the wrong hub design also.
(After 1993 when business strike and proof coins had the new reverses, the 1994 business strike cents had the RDV-007 reverses. The proof coins were hubbed with RDV-006 hubs until 2008.
http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...arieties.htm
So when the mix up happened in 1998-2000 on the business strike coins, they were hubbed with the RDV-006. instead of the RDV-007 hubs. On the 1998 and 1999 on the proof dies, they used the RDV-007 hub on some dies instead of the RDV-006 hubs. Thus the big mix up those years.


But most of the time they got it right. After 1994 they couldn't use the retired proof dies as they had the incorrect design. So I think they tried not reuse them. Before on the 1959-1992 coinage, they could, but I don't remember anything mentioned about this happening.
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1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
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 Posted 05/24/2019  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Check DrDon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Question: Would the 1998,1999,2000 all be wrong reverse errors?
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 Posted 05/24/2019  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes DrDon. It's why those years have a "Wide AM" version of the reverse out there to find, but not all of them struck those years were like that, just some of the coins in those years. The others have the intended reverse.
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 Posted 05/24/2019  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Check DrDon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I understand how they came to be. My point is that they are errors not varieties.
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 Posted 05/25/2019  08:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The answer is, Yes. It was and probably still is common practice at the mint. For example in Roger Burdette's book on proofs there are several case documented of proof reverse dies being used in two consecutive years. If you have a perfectly good non-dated rev die why destroy it and then make a new die exactly like it?
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 Posted 05/25/2019  08:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Condor, I can sure see that. The reason I asked was I have a '59 and '60 that the reverses look strikingly similar to each other.
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 Posted 05/26/2019  12:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tunnioc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We want pics Jim!
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 Posted 05/26/2019  12:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tunnioc, I have no pics on this one just a question. The reason I asked it was I have a 59 and a 60 and the reverses showed similar die markers in the third bay and although not a complete match it just crossed my mind to post the question.
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 Posted 05/26/2019  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The mark on the third bay is part of a die clash. These are the most common clash.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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