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 Posted 06/10/2019  9:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add joecoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
So, I've got this 2 Dollar Bill , series 1976, that was autographed and dated by the soon to be Treasurer, Mary Ellen Withrow.

She became Treasurer on March 1, 1994, she signed this not on 2/16/94.

How collectible is something like this? Anyone here have any other similar items ?
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 Posted 06/10/2019  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sure somebody out in "Currencyland" would like it for an autographed collection.

Kinda neat that she signed it on currency that does not have her facimile signature on it. This is the first one I've seen.

Thanks for posting.
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 Posted 06/10/2019  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadDog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are 4 series 1995 notes (when she was the Treasurer) with her courtesy autograph graded by PMG as 67 & 68 EPQ (2 each) currently up for auction on eBay. Current bids range from $17-$22 with 3 days to go.

My understanding is that PMG will no longer attribute a courtesy autograph because verification of the autograph is so difficult.

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06/11/2019 02:25 am
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 Posted 06/11/2019  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Independently verifiable signatures are always a problem with all artworks.

Joecoin: Do you have any way of verification, where the authenticator has a well respected professional reputation?
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 Posted 06/11/2019  02:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveInTampa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mary Ellen Withrow might have the most popular courtesy autograph known. She was prolific and seen at many large numismatic events signing bank notes long after her tenure at the Treasury. Before her, the most popular was Ivy Baker Priest.

It is unusual to see her signature above a printed signature of someone else, but she would sign whatever you put in front of her.

People waiting to meet Mary Ellen and get her autograph.




I might have one or two...

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06/11/2019 05:32 am
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 Posted 06/11/2019  05:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveInTampa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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My understanding is that PMG will no longer attribute a courtesy autograph because verification of the autograph is so difficult.


This is correct. I messaged Jennifer at PMG and asked and this was her response.

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 Posted 06/11/2019  07:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joecoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Joecoin: Do you have any way of verification, where the authenticator has a well respected professional reputation?


The person that gave me the note used to work worth Mary Ellen Withrow when she was the Treasurer of the State of Ohio.

He was also once the acting Attorney General of the State of Ohio.
So he's pretty well respected, just not in the area of notaphily.
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 Posted 06/11/2019  07:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joecoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Kinda neat that she signed it on currency that does not have her facimile signature on it. This is the first one I've seen.


westernsky = Yes, I thought that was a little different. Of course, it was signed before any notes had her signature. I have not checked to see if her name is even on any 2 dollar bills.


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My understanding is that PMG will no longer attribute a courtesy autograph because verification of the autograph is so difficult


BadDog and SteveinTampa - Will PMG still grade such a note? And will it be dinged because somebody wrote on it?
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 Posted 06/11/2019  08:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadDog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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BadDog and SteveinTampa - Will PMG still grade such a note? And will it be dinged because somebody wrote on it?

Can't say
I don't have any autographed notes and have never submitted one for grading.

Send PMG an email or give them a call. They're usually very willing to answer these kinds of questions.
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06/11/2019 08:06 am
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Will PMG still grade such a note? And will it be dinged because somebody wrote on it?


I would call or send Jennifer an email for an answer.



Looks like BD and I answered within a minute of each other.

As a side note, my conversation with Jennifer originated with PMG's special Cabral autographed holder which they are offering. My question was can I get a Cabral autographed note into a Cabral autographed holder.
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06/11/2019 08:16 am
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 Posted 06/12/2019  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WheatBack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have an autographed 1880 $1 signed by D. N. Morgan. Was thinking of sending it, but maybe not anymore.
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 Posted 06/12/2019  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If a signature of a famous person is very numerous,
it follows that the signature component value of the article which bears that signature, will be lower.
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