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 Posted 06/16/2019  08:43 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jsertl to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Okay I got one for you guys & I hope you have an answer for me. On this quarter the number one is stamped on top of what looks like a lowercase "i"(and its sideways at that) & on the front at the base of George's Bust dead center is the very bottom of a letter or a part of a letter anyways. I cant get a great pic of the partial letter. Regardless the #1 on front is stamped on top of something.




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 Posted 06/16/2019  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Circulation hit.
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 Posted 06/16/2019  08:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jsertl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
its under the #1....wouldnt that mean it was there before the #1?
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 Posted 06/16/2019  08:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jsertl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And the partial letter I was talking about on the front is raised not recessed
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 Posted 06/16/2019  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like damage to me.
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 Posted 06/16/2019  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The planchet under the I was like that before it was struck, I have seen numerous similar examples, what the cause not quite sure!

The area on the Bust looks like a die crack with a couple of die chips and it is not a partial letter.
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 Posted 06/16/2019  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The devices are on the outside edge of the reverses on the quarters are insuse not raised on the ATB series. So any contact mark will appear on the field areas and not touch the devices unless it is hit hard:

When you rotate the image, you can see it better:

The devices on the EPU on the shield cents are also incuse on the coin.
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06/16/2019 11:04 pm
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 Posted 06/17/2019  04:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coop,
Was the contact mark on the planchet before strike or from circulation?
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 Posted 06/18/2019  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OP's image including coop's both indicate the contact mark under the device, I have seen several such examples first hand, these mark must have been on the planchet pre-strike.

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 Posted 06/18/2019  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The contact mark is after the strike. The fields were flattened a bit from contact with another coin in circulation. While it appears to be behind the devices, it is not. It is on top of the devices. (These devices are incuse on the outer ring)
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Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

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 Posted 06/24/2019  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wanted to revisit this topic and get some resolve. Here is another example of a die gouge/scratch but I am not convinced it is a contact mark! It clearly shows no damage on any devices before or after it shows being under the devices.What do you think?
I used different lighting at different angles.



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 Posted 06/24/2019  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1993Z to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With the devices being incluse it could be a contact mark that didn't get hit hard enough to damage the devices. There are some people that can explain this better than me I'm definitely not an expert on this.
The images make the devices look raised when they are not.
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06/24/2019 8:24 pm
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