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1956 D & S Lincoln Wheat Cent WdMM-001

 
 
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 Posted 07/20/2019  8:24 pm Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This is considered a controversial cent, and while I already have one in my collection, I picked up this one for about $12 including shipping off eBay (correctly attributed). Thinking maybe having a couple of them around might help me personally decide whether I agree with the designation of it being a separated "S" or just interesting die gouges.

So far I don't seem to have one in an early enough die stage to show the upper S like in the photos on Wexler's site, but hope to eventually pick one up in a VEDS and see what I can see.

1956 D & S Lincoln Wheat cent WDMM-001





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 Posted 07/20/2019  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well congrats, I'm sure, but a "Separated S" seems like a stretch. A serious stretch.
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 Posted 07/20/2019  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Check DrDon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I took your photo and went negative.


I think I see a bit more of the lower curve.
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 Posted 07/20/2019  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't generally lift pics from other sites, but the photo of Hartley Cole's coin on the WDMM-001 listing is probably worth adding here.


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 Posted 07/20/2019  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very neat. Looks close to an S to me, but die gouges can be weird sometimes.

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 Posted 07/20/2019  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's a seperated S. My theory to support it was a die was prepared at the San Fransisco mint in 1955, however after reciving the MM punch that was so misplaced it couldn't be used, it was put away for storage without being repunched and put into use. Then in 1956 the die was shipped to the denver mint, where the 'S' was polished and a 'D' MM was added.

Of course it's just speculation but I have some evidence to support it.

IMO the styles of the supposed 'S' MM and the correct MM style for 1955 are too similar to be dismissed as die gouges. I'd like to hear those who disagree explain their stance.
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 Posted 07/20/2019  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Check Redifin's eBay Listings Check Redifin's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add Redifin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's awesome! Looks legit to me.
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 Posted 07/20/2019  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome tropicalbats! I also like GrapeCollects theory on this as well. To me, it's obvious that it's an S.
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1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
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 Posted 07/21/2019  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think those who think this is a die gouge are grasing at straws
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 Posted 07/22/2019  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice pick up TB. Looks like the S MM to me also.

Interesting theory GC because I like oddities like this a well, but......


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....the MM punch that was so misplaced it couldn't be used, it was put away for storage without being repunched and put into use.

I'm guessing you didn't mean to add the part in red? (if they stored it)


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Then in 1956 the die was shipped to the denver mint, where the 'S' was polished and a 'D' MM was added.

How would they change the last 5 to a 6?

If I recall correctly San Fran and Denver received their dies from the Philly mint and applied the MM themselves.

I would guess it happened much the same way the other OMM's happened in the '40's and early '50's. Seems like they were sending excess dies from San Fran to Denver to help with a shortfall in some years and this die happened to have an oddly positioned MM.
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